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Arrival Vengeance

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Harold D. Hale

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One of the few MegaTraveller products I do not own...however naturally I find myself putting together a write-up for something dealing with the Solomani Rim and I need to know what, if anything, the book had to say about goings on there as the Rebellion was drawing to a close.

Also, if you want to discuss Arrival Vengeance as a product, or have questions about it, this would be a good place....

--h
 
One of the few MegaTraveller products I do not own...however naturally I find myself putting together a write-up for something dealing with the Solomani Rim and I need to know what, if anything, the book had to say about goings on there as the Rebellion was drawing to a close.

Also, if you want to discuss Arrival Vengeance as a product, or have questions about it, this would be a good place....

--h
 
One of the few MegaTraveller products I do not own...however naturally I find myself putting together a write-up for something dealing with the Solomani Rim and I need to know what, if anything, the book had to say about goings on there as the Rebellion was drawing to a close.

Also, if you want to discuss Arrival Vengeance as a product, or have questions about it, this would be a good place....

--h
 
The only thing noted in AV is that many Vegans fled the Rim to Daibei(p.9) and that Daibei has a population of uplifted Dolphins.

Not much really.
 
The only thing noted in AV is that many Vegans fled the Rim to Daibei(p.9) and that Daibei has a population of uplifted Dolphins.

Not much really.
 
The only thing noted in AV is that many Vegans fled the Rim to Daibei(p.9) and that Daibei has a population of uplifted Dolphins.

Not much really.
 
The Rim in the Rebellion period was an interesting place and a very dull place. I have always imagined sort of like Poland after the collapse of communism.

Whereby, the Sols claim Earth only to find out that the years of Imperial occupation have left their mark on Terran culture by making it more diverse.

Jon's solution of the authencity movement is band aid solution (and a very good idea) but really one would want to explore Terra in more depth throughout the ages.

After the movement of ROM toward the core, Earth went into a long term decline as the riches were moved elsewhere and in the Long Night, it emerged again as an important Pocket Empire.

But, what happened in Milieu 200 to Milieu 1000, what were the tensions and politics on Earth that pushed them into war with the Imperium. Or was it more the revanchist states of Rim that was responsible for the war. Clearly, Earth was a Jewel in the Crown but like the Raj, once the empire left, it left a backward planet unable to compete until a major change...that change being the TNE era (whether you are a Hale heretic, like myself until I see MJD work or MJD, Earth will resurect itself, as an important Pocket Empire).

So the task that can help us is MWM article in Dragon on Luna reprinted by Starlance Enterprises sometime later. And, also some of the voices of the Ancients on the Fate of Terra. But, I don't mind sharing some of my thoughts. Save that Terra/Earth did really play an important role in my MT campaigns where I centred action in the Core worlds of the 3i and just playing MT Journal adventures with my players which were centred in Deneb.
 
The Rim in the Rebellion period was an interesting place and a very dull place. I have always imagined sort of like Poland after the collapse of communism.

Whereby, the Sols claim Earth only to find out that the years of Imperial occupation have left their mark on Terran culture by making it more diverse.

Jon's solution of the authencity movement is band aid solution (and a very good idea) but really one would want to explore Terra in more depth throughout the ages.

After the movement of ROM toward the core, Earth went into a long term decline as the riches were moved elsewhere and in the Long Night, it emerged again as an important Pocket Empire.

But, what happened in Milieu 200 to Milieu 1000, what were the tensions and politics on Earth that pushed them into war with the Imperium. Or was it more the revanchist states of Rim that was responsible for the war. Clearly, Earth was a Jewel in the Crown but like the Raj, once the empire left, it left a backward planet unable to compete until a major change...that change being the TNE era (whether you are a Hale heretic, like myself until I see MJD work or MJD, Earth will resurect itself, as an important Pocket Empire).

So the task that can help us is MWM article in Dragon on Luna reprinted by Starlance Enterprises sometime later. And, also some of the voices of the Ancients on the Fate of Terra. But, I don't mind sharing some of my thoughts. Save that Terra/Earth did really play an important role in my MT campaigns where I centred action in the Core worlds of the 3i and just playing MT Journal adventures with my players which were centred in Deneb.
 
The Rim in the Rebellion period was an interesting place and a very dull place. I have always imagined sort of like Poland after the collapse of communism.

Whereby, the Sols claim Earth only to find out that the years of Imperial occupation have left their mark on Terran culture by making it more diverse.

Jon's solution of the authencity movement is band aid solution (and a very good idea) but really one would want to explore Terra in more depth throughout the ages.

After the movement of ROM toward the core, Earth went into a long term decline as the riches were moved elsewhere and in the Long Night, it emerged again as an important Pocket Empire.

But, what happened in Milieu 200 to Milieu 1000, what were the tensions and politics on Earth that pushed them into war with the Imperium. Or was it more the revanchist states of Rim that was responsible for the war. Clearly, Earth was a Jewel in the Crown but like the Raj, once the empire left, it left a backward planet unable to compete until a major change...that change being the TNE era (whether you are a Hale heretic, like myself until I see MJD work or MJD, Earth will resurect itself, as an important Pocket Empire).

So the task that can help us is MWM article in Dragon on Luna reprinted by Starlance Enterprises sometime later. And, also some of the voices of the Ancients on the Fate of Terra. But, I don't mind sharing some of my thoughts. Save that Terra/Earth did really play an important role in my MT campaigns where I centred action in the Core worlds of the 3i and just playing MT Journal adventures with my players which were centred in Deneb.
 
Whether I'm a heretic I suppose remains to be seen...given that my work on the Solomani Rim for TNE was published in Traveller Chronicle almost 8 years ago, and as of yet Martin has said nothing official regarding it.

During the Rebellion era, Terra was occupied pretty early on, and there are hints that the occupation wasn't universally well received, indeed there appears to have been a rather active guerilla campaign going on, which delayed the "handover" to civilian authority. Contrast that to the pre-Rebellion era when the Imperial occupation forces had transitioned successfully to garrison status and administration had passed back to civilian rule.

I extrapolated a few things from this:

1) That Terra had been altered by the Imperial conquest. The Solomani extremists there had pretty much given their lives defending the motherland, leaving a majority population (+/- 65%) that cared little who was in charge so long as they weren't oppressive and people could live their day-to-day lives in peace.

2) That the Imperial forces in the region knew that if they tried to defend Terra at all cost it would cost them everything, and so only a token naval resistance was put up, a delaying action to allow the vast majority of the Imperium's military assets in the Terran system to get away. A substanial ground force was left in place, but this again was only enough force to delay the Solomani while the Imperium pulled back and reorganized for defense of other regions. A prolonged guerilla campaign was also planned for to divert Solomani forces from the front.

3) That when the Solomani arrived, they expected to be greeted as liberators. For the most part they were not for the reasons described above. Indeed, there may have been a substantial portion of the population (+/- 15%) that was actually pro-Imperial. Solsec's methods of rooting out "traitors" would have probably only served to further alienate the majority of the population, and aided the guerillas.

--h
 
Whether I'm a heretic I suppose remains to be seen...given that my work on the Solomani Rim for TNE was published in Traveller Chronicle almost 8 years ago, and as of yet Martin has said nothing official regarding it.

During the Rebellion era, Terra was occupied pretty early on, and there are hints that the occupation wasn't universally well received, indeed there appears to have been a rather active guerilla campaign going on, which delayed the "handover" to civilian authority. Contrast that to the pre-Rebellion era when the Imperial occupation forces had transitioned successfully to garrison status and administration had passed back to civilian rule.

I extrapolated a few things from this:

1) That Terra had been altered by the Imperial conquest. The Solomani extremists there had pretty much given their lives defending the motherland, leaving a majority population (+/- 65%) that cared little who was in charge so long as they weren't oppressive and people could live their day-to-day lives in peace.

2) That the Imperial forces in the region knew that if they tried to defend Terra at all cost it would cost them everything, and so only a token naval resistance was put up, a delaying action to allow the vast majority of the Imperium's military assets in the Terran system to get away. A substanial ground force was left in place, but this again was only enough force to delay the Solomani while the Imperium pulled back and reorganized for defense of other regions. A prolonged guerilla campaign was also planned for to divert Solomani forces from the front.

3) That when the Solomani arrived, they expected to be greeted as liberators. For the most part they were not for the reasons described above. Indeed, there may have been a substantial portion of the population (+/- 15%) that was actually pro-Imperial. Solsec's methods of rooting out "traitors" would have probably only served to further alienate the majority of the population, and aided the guerillas.

--h
 
Whether I'm a heretic I suppose remains to be seen...given that my work on the Solomani Rim for TNE was published in Traveller Chronicle almost 8 years ago, and as of yet Martin has said nothing official regarding it.

During the Rebellion era, Terra was occupied pretty early on, and there are hints that the occupation wasn't universally well received, indeed there appears to have been a rather active guerilla campaign going on, which delayed the "handover" to civilian authority. Contrast that to the pre-Rebellion era when the Imperial occupation forces had transitioned successfully to garrison status and administration had passed back to civilian rule.

I extrapolated a few things from this:

1) That Terra had been altered by the Imperial conquest. The Solomani extremists there had pretty much given their lives defending the motherland, leaving a majority population (+/- 65%) that cared little who was in charge so long as they weren't oppressive and people could live their day-to-day lives in peace.

2) That the Imperial forces in the region knew that if they tried to defend Terra at all cost it would cost them everything, and so only a token naval resistance was put up, a delaying action to allow the vast majority of the Imperium's military assets in the Terran system to get away. A substanial ground force was left in place, but this again was only enough force to delay the Solomani while the Imperium pulled back and reorganized for defense of other regions. A prolonged guerilla campaign was also planned for to divert Solomani forces from the front.

3) That when the Solomani arrived, they expected to be greeted as liberators. For the most part they were not for the reasons described above. Indeed, there may have been a substantial portion of the population (+/- 15%) that was actually pro-Imperial. Solsec's methods of rooting out "traitors" would have probably only served to further alienate the majority of the population, and aided the guerillas.

--h
 
Originally posted by Elliot:
The only thing noted in AV is that many Vegans fled the Rim to Daibei(p.9) and that Daibei has a population of uplifted Dolphins.

Not much really.
Click to expand...
Good news for me actually. The fleeing of Vegans could be due to any number of reasons, either because they were on worlds that were outside the Vegan Autonomous District that came under Solomani occupation, or because the Solomani were encroaching on the District, but not necessarily completely overrunning it. In either case, I would expect some Solomani forces to treat the Vegans about as well as American POWs were treated by SS units during the Battle of the Bulge in World War II...and Vegans fleeing to regions for survival would make sense.

--h
 
Originally posted by Elliot:
The only thing noted in AV is that many Vegans fled the Rim to Daibei(p.9) and that Daibei has a population of uplifted Dolphins.

Not much really.
Click to expand...
Good news for me actually. The fleeing of Vegans could be due to any number of reasons, either because they were on worlds that were outside the Vegan Autonomous District that came under Solomani occupation, or because the Solomani were encroaching on the District, but not necessarily completely overrunning it. In either case, I would expect some Solomani forces to treat the Vegans about as well as American POWs were treated by SS units during the Battle of the Bulge in World War II...and Vegans fleeing to regions for survival would make sense.

--h
 
Originally posted by Elliot:
The only thing noted in AV is that many Vegans fled the Rim to Daibei(p.9) and that Daibei has a population of uplifted Dolphins.

Not much really.
Click to expand...
Good news for me actually. The fleeing of Vegans could be due to any number of reasons, either because they were on worlds that were outside the Vegan Autonomous District that came under Solomani occupation, or because the Solomani were encroaching on the District, but not necessarily completely overrunning it. In either case, I would expect some Solomani forces to treat the Vegans about as well as American POWs were treated by SS units during the Battle of the Bulge in World War II...and Vegans fleeing to regions for survival would make sense.

--h
 
As I have stated elsewhere and ad nauseum - the DGP supplement Solomani and Aslan (Obviously a MT supplement) has the Terrans and its immediate neighbours applying to join the Confederation en bloc as the The Old Earth Union (i.e. the old Long Night polity).

It is stated there that Imperial sympathy was slowing down's Earth's integration to the Confederation.

I personally think that not detailing Earth ala Traveller's Digest or that utter cack in Rim of Fire is the best way forward. Earth is just too familiar and thus an author's prejudices comes out and ruins things (by the word prejudices I dont intend criticism
)- We have the map from Sol and Aslan - I think that is enough.

(By the way (and highly irrelevantly) I played a non-Hale Earth pocket empire in my TNE campaign when I got fed up with the Vikings - It was an trade empire controlled by a Cymbeline chip that resembled a benevolent Mother (Earth) Virus that 'infected' the NASDAQ system- I just found the old file - what fun we had...)
 
As I have stated elsewhere and ad nauseum - the DGP supplement Solomani and Aslan (Obviously a MT supplement) has the Terrans and its immediate neighbours applying to join the Confederation en bloc as the The Old Earth Union (i.e. the old Long Night polity).

It is stated there that Imperial sympathy was slowing down's Earth's integration to the Confederation.

I personally think that not detailing Earth ala Traveller's Digest or that utter cack in Rim of Fire is the best way forward. Earth is just too familiar and thus an author's prejudices comes out and ruins things (by the word prejudices I dont intend criticism
)- We have the map from Sol and Aslan - I think that is enough.

(By the way (and highly irrelevantly) I played a non-Hale Earth pocket empire in my TNE campaign when I got fed up with the Vikings - It was an trade empire controlled by a Cymbeline chip that resembled a benevolent Mother (Earth) Virus that 'infected' the NASDAQ system- I just found the old file - what fun we had...)
 
As I have stated elsewhere and ad nauseum - the DGP supplement Solomani and Aslan (Obviously a MT supplement) has the Terrans and its immediate neighbours applying to join the Confederation en bloc as the The Old Earth Union (i.e. the old Long Night polity).

It is stated there that Imperial sympathy was slowing down's Earth's integration to the Confederation.

I personally think that not detailing Earth ala Traveller's Digest or that utter cack in Rim of Fire is the best way forward. Earth is just too familiar and thus an author's prejudices comes out and ruins things (by the word prejudices I dont intend criticism
)- We have the map from Sol and Aslan - I think that is enough.

(By the way (and highly irrelevantly) I played a non-Hale Earth pocket empire in my TNE campaign when I got fed up with the Vikings - It was an trade empire controlled by a Cymbeline chip that resembled a benevolent Mother (Earth) Virus that 'infected' the NASDAQ system- I just found the old file - what fun we had...)
 
hdhale1 wrote:

"Whether I'm a heretic I suppose remains to be seen...given that my work on the Solomani Rim for TNE was published in Traveller Chronicle almost 8 years ago, and as of yet Martin has said nothing official regarding it."


Mr. Hale,

I am sorry but Mr. Dougherty has made official remarks concerning your Children of Earth setting for TNE; to whit - It Didn't Happen. Check out the many M:1248 threads hear at CotI for confirmation. He has said as much on at least three separate occasions that I am aware of.

As much as I am in awe of the splendid work you did for CoE in 'Traveller Chronicle', I must also admit that I am relieved that the CoE materials will not be part of M:1248. The OTU treats Earth rather shabbily from the Interstellar Wars Period onwards and, IMHO, Earth deserves better. Bluntly put, your Gabreelists were just the latest set of Earth-based loonies in the OTU's long line of Earth-based loonies.

The OTU's whole 'Wretched And Ultimately Inconsequential Earth Populated By Loonies' schtick has grown tiresome. It is time for a change.


Sincerely,
Larsen
 
hdhale1 wrote:

"Whether I'm a heretic I suppose remains to be seen...given that my work on the Solomani Rim for TNE was published in Traveller Chronicle almost 8 years ago, and as of yet Martin has said nothing official regarding it."


Mr. Hale,

I am sorry but Mr. Dougherty has made official remarks concerning your Children of Earth setting for TNE; to whit - It Didn't Happen. Check out the many M:1248 threads hear at CotI for confirmation. He has said as much on at least three separate occasions that I am aware of.

As much as I am in awe of the splendid work you did for CoE in 'Traveller Chronicle', I must also admit that I am relieved that the CoE materials will not be part of M:1248. The OTU treats Earth rather shabbily from the Interstellar Wars Period onwards and, IMHO, Earth deserves better. Bluntly put, your Gabreelists were just the latest set of Earth-based loonies in the OTU's long line of Earth-based loonies.

The OTU's whole 'Wretched And Ultimately Inconsequential Earth Populated By Loonies' schtick has grown tiresome. It is time for a change.


Sincerely,
Larsen
 
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