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Anti-Missile Defense Lasers

Well, uh, considering that it is a chemical laser, and it has a known output, you'd want to use FFS to make it.

They say "megawatt class", which does not necessarily mean 1 MW. They said it has a 1.5m telescope as well; I presume that's for aiming. And it's mounted on what is very nearly the largest aircraft that can fly, so it's an awful lot bigger than any of US is likely expecting to see.

Probably the best course of action at the moment is to wait and see if they release any further details. Focal diameter and wavelength will tell us range, power output will directly tell us damage (sqrt(MW)*2.5 against non-organic targets). Then we can figure out what FFS tells us the thing should mass and displace. Of course, I'm pretty sure we'll find that the FFS numbers will be a lot smaller than the real thing.
 
Great input. FFS1 or 2?

Anyhow I doubt we'll hear any of that in the near future. What would be required to destroy a modern missile?

Savage
 
For range, it's supposed to have 600km vs liquid-fueled and 300km vs solid-fueled rockets/missiles. The beam has to stay on target for 20 seconds to cause detonation of the booster fuel.

It also has a deformable mirror to allow for atmospheric conditions correction.
 
Hmmmm.... Well, FFS sez you need to focus your laser down to a square cm and get at least 1 MW in that to have any hope of punching through armor. However, I have it from other sources that penetrating armor is not required to make a kill.

I would guess that the beam is not nearly so well focused as to allow a 1 sq cm spot, nor so well aimed to stay on that spot for 20 seconds. Probably has either/both of a small focal diameter and a low wavelength. Someone suggested it was IR, which would make sense. I don't have the formula handy, but at a range of 600km, we're talking some beam spreading.

All the laser really needs to do is impart its energy to the target, warming it up a lot faster than it can cool itself. 20 seconds is a long time; a real long time. Some missiles can move 20 km in 20 seconds, but we're talking about a ballistic missile in its launch phase, so we probably have to track it for about 5km or less.

Let's say it's a 5 MW laser. I'm sure if it was 10, they'd've said something to that effect, and 5 is half way between 1 and 10. That laser is going to impart 5 Mj a second, for 20 seconds, or 100 Mj, onto its target. Remember, it's not focused, it's a frickin spotlight, but thankfully it's not mounted on a frickin shark. :D

Anyway, just what can 100 Mj do to something? We can be pretty sure that 100 Mj isn't the actual point at which the missile blows up; it's going to be cooling; maybe half that is all it's going to get. So 50 Mj. What's the volume of the target? I don't know how big a rocket we're talking here, but you can be sure that 50 Mj is going to have to heat the whole bleeping thing.

Now if someone has their handy joule-to-calorie converter handy, we can find out the number of calories we're imparting, and divide that by the volume of the target. The result should be the number of degrees celcius we are adding to the target. btw, 1 calorie is the energy required to raise 1 ml of water 1 degree; since a missile is not water, this is only an approximation. Metal doesn't require a lot of energy to increase its temp, water is a pretty good heat sink. I would GUESS that you could safely multiply the result by 10 and be closer to the correct answer then you were before you did so.

I will let a math-monger give us some numbers.
 
IIRC it is ~4.18 J/cal, and fuels are probably more like 0.5 cal/deg. Missiles have no cooling aparatus other than damped convection circulation. It won't take too much heat to heat LOx to boiling, but then the missile has consumed much fuel and the gas has to fill and overpressurize the tank. A portion of the beam is also heating the fuel, which has to get to a much higher temp to vaporize and overpressurize.

We could take odds on which blows first, but we'd have a hard time verifying. ;)
 
Originally posted by TheDS:
Hmmmm.... Well, FFS sez you need to focus your laser down to a square cm and get at least 1 MW in that to have any hope of punching through armor. However, I have it from other sources that penetrating armor is not required to make a kill.
Well, bear in mind that missiles are generally not armored. Also note that FFS is wrong, you can reasonably punch through a centimeter of steel with total energy of less than a hundred kilojoules per square centimeter.

In terms of real-world antimissile systems, this page was written back in the 80s, probably about the original SDI, but the basic physics involved haven't really changed.

http://www.wws.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/byteserv.prl/~ota/disk3/1984/8410/841005.PDF
 
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