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Amenities on a starship 'cruise' liner

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Having recently read the posts about cruise ship deckplans I began to wonder what type of amenities would one find on a starship 'cruise' liner. I did a quick web search on cruise ships and have compiled a list of the items I found.

Dining rooms - Usually there are two different rooms
Casinos - Includes video slots, cards, roulette, craps
Bars and Nightclubs - 'Vegas' style, piano rooms, jazz, dance, comedy club
Spa/Massage Parlor
Swimming pools - Usually at least two adult/mixed, some ships have a third, dedicated childrens' pool
Gymnasium - Some include a basketball court, jogging track, weight room
Movie theater - Probably would be a 3D movie theater at higher TL's
Live performance theater - For major concerts, operas, plays, etc
Card room - Probably for non-gambling card play
Video game room

Some other amenities I thought of include the following.

Bowling lanes
Zero gee room - A room to experience zero gee in a 'safe' enviroment or to play sports

If you can think of others please post them here.
 
Don't forget (overpriced) shops, to purchase Trinkets and Souvineers, forgotten toiletries, sundries, clothes, more luggage, stuff you will need during a layover (Filter masks for example). A Snack Bar for when the diningroom isn't open, or convienent.

Sundeck, well that wouldn't apply on a Starship, observation deck perhaps.


Concierge, to plan your local excursions once you reach your destination, or stops enroute.

Promenade deck. (Which just looks like a hallway around the outside of the ship, but serves as a place to walk around the ship. "10 laps around the deck is a mile.") Unlike the Jogging Track this is for people that want exercise but don't want to take it seriously.


Most ships also have a place to drive golf balls and shoot skeet. (Indoor shooting range simulator? And or Driving range simulator.)

I would add flight simulators, so you can fly starships or other craft while in Jump Space. Do virtual tours of planets that you are or aren't visiting, play games, etc. (Coincidentally you could use the simulators to keep the crew sharp while in Jump Space, for things like piloting the lifeboats.)

As for amenities that can use the space we have already discussed. Dance lessons, sports trainers, personal trainers. And of course don't forget the adult entertainment that some of the crew will invariably moonlight doing.

Originally posted by Randy Tyler:
Having recently read the posts about cruise ship deckplans I began to wonder what type of amenities would one find on a starship 'cruise' liner. I did a quick web search on cruise ships and have compiled a list of the items I found.

Dining rooms - Usually there are two different rooms
Casinos - Includes video slots, cards, roulette, craps
Bars and Nightclubs - 'Vegas' style, piano rooms, jazz, dance, comedy club
Spa/Massage Parlor
Swimming pools - Usually at least two adult/mixed, some ships have a third, dedicated childrens' pool
Gymnasium - Some include a basketball court, jogging track, weight room
Movie theater - Probably would be a 3D movie theater at higher TL's
Live performance theater - For major concerts, operas, plays, etc
Card room - Probably for non-gambling card play
Video game room

Some other amenities I thought of include the following.

Bowling lanes
Zero gee room - A room to experience zero gee in a 'safe' enviroment or to play sports

If you can think of others please post them here.
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nix the swimming pool. in a loss-of-gravity accident everyone in the space would drown.

space aboard a starship is limited. duplicative dining rooms are too much. many rooms will have to be multi-purpose - perhaps 0G and the casino are good candidates for double-duty, say ten hours per day each.
 
Actually the Casino is a money maker. It should always be open. Close the dinning rooms or convert them when not in use.

I would keep the swiming pool. After all if the room is behind bulkheads, (And a room that big should be compartmentalized from other sections of ship anyway.) the water would be contained if you lose gravity. Loss of gravity won't drown anyone but will have big water bubbles floating around. Water doesn't increase in volume if you take it out of a container. A Swimming pool makes for a good emergency water supply. (Granted you would want to filter and scrub it first but still.
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Unlike Cargo Haulers (Trash Haulers) you can waste space on a Cruise ship. Of course you aren't charging Cr10,000 per ticket. This isn't an airline or train seat, it is more.

The I.S.C.V. King Richard ticket price was KCr50-300 per jump. (Which included KCr1 in chips for gambling, all your meals and movies and shows for 9 days.)

Originally posted by flykiller:
nix the swimming pool. in a loss-of-gravity accident everyone in the space would drown.

space aboard a starship is limited. duplicative dining rooms are too much. many rooms will have to be multi-purpose - perhaps 0G and the casino are good candidates for double-duty, say ten hours per day each.
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Other amenities I'd put in:

a library/computer center. As in, a combination of books, printers, terminals, and other goodies...

A lounge complex... not so much a bar, as just a set of various rooms with comfortable furniture and various age/noise restrictions... kind of courtyards.

make the theater a multi-use space: include capabilities for stage, screen, and planetarium... and make it also a dining facility.

The Promenade should run the whole of the ship... and should connect to a couple of special lounges: the fore and aft 0-G rooms also could be observation domes.
 
In the United States Naval Service (USNS), the ships that I was on all had the following 'social' amenities:

"Slop Chest" -- Open one hour per day for passengers and crew to purchase toiletries, clothing, geedunk (candy & pre-packaged snacks), blank cassette tapes, uniform items, writing materials, and the like.

Officer's Mess -- Where the Captain, Engineer, REO, CMO, and 1st/2nd/3rd mates had their meals and briefings. The Chief Steward usually took his meals here, but not at the same time as the others. Lower ranks and passengers were not allowed to enter except when under direct orders from, and accompanied by, a ship's officer.

Crew Mess -- Where the ship's 'Black Gang' (oilers and wipers) and cargo handlers had their meals and meetings. The regular Stewards took their meals here, but not at the same time as the others. These crewmembers were a very territorial lot, so any passengers who stumbled in risks being forcibly ejected ("Oops! Did you have a nice trip? Tell me next fall!")

Passenger Mess -- Where everyone else ate, watched movies, read from the library, played games, and otherwise kept themselves and each other entertained. Captain and crew usually stayed away unless their duties required them to be there (inspections, security, maintenance, and repairs).

Gym -- Freeweights and resistance machines, a treadmill or two and/or stationary bicycles, punching bags, and wrestling mats. Passengers, officers, and crew shared priority of use on a rotating schedule.

Sauna -- Some waste heat from the engines was routed through here. The entrance was similar to an airlock...

Fantail -- Aft observation deck and smoking platform. Likely not to be practical on a space-going vessel that spend much of its time in jumpspace. Possibly a windowed corridor on non-starships.

Staterooms -- Some passengers and crew ran dice or poker games in the relative privacy of a stateroom. Others forms of vice also occurred on an intermittant basis.

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USNS ships are merchant vessels owned by the US Navy. Special crews are embarked for intelligence gathering, and repair & replenishment of regular naval ships while underway.

Imagine two ships accelerating at 3G's to a jump point while tethered together. One ship is sending over supplies, spare parts, and replacement crewmembers to the other in the 24 hours or so that it takes to clear jump masking. Then they decouple, and the Navy ship jumps outsystem, while the supply ship decelerates for the return trip home. This little scenario could be played out in those cases where a Naval vessel must make 2 jumps or more to reach its final destination in a hurry.

It's also useful to note that a fire drill was required once a month(?), and that this was an 'all hands' event. Space vessels might require at least one 'Disaster & Decompression' drill per trip.

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The USNS is the unsung branch of the USN. Perhaps the Imperial Navy has a similar program, but it just doesn't get as much publicity as the regular Navy.

KR
 
In the traveller universe, cruise ships seem a non-sequitor. I imagine that populus worlds would have extrordinary cruise vessels for vacationing, antigrav platforms that went every where with every amenity.

I think interstellar travel would have few amenities. there simply isn't enough space on board for entainment as discussed. and it would be too crowded to boot.

I took a ferry trip from Bergen, Norway to Amsterdam once. I think it was a prototypical of what a interstellar passenger ship would be like. It was too inhospitable to be outside. there was nothing to do in the common areas, which were crowded with people I didn't want to be around. The state rooms were miniscule but the only private places on the ship.
 
Atrium/Grand Hall/Mall: Many large cruise ships have one or more gigantic open spaces. Often there is a multi-story entry/atrium. Some new vessels have very large open multi-story concourses built right through the center of the vessels, with stores lining the concourse, and 4-5 floors of rooms overlooking the concourse (they're highly requested rooms on those vessels).
 
Don't forget low-G diving (diving into a pool, that is)or Gravity Enhanced Weight lifting (who wouldn't want to see themselves lifting 5000 lbs.). Make sure you have an Entertainment Director as part of the Steward Services. Cross an entertainment resort with an aircraft carrier and that's about what an interstellar cruise ship would be like. Oh, and passengers don't want to hear things like "I'm sorry, we don't have a pool. If the gravity fails..." Don't forget medical facilities with geriatric services, especially for that octagenarian that just heard that gravity might fail.

Later,

Scout
 
Pastimes of the Rich and Famous.

We’ve covered a lot of ground so far but I think a few more amenities could be added. Meta-game approach: Who can afford to take a Luxury Cruise, and what would they like to do during those weeks in Jump? We need some “event” for the Nobles and the Ultra Rich to occupy their time without rubbing elbows with the rabble.
The Social skills will get used in the Casinos, lounges, bars etc. but what about Dueling. Place a Dueling stage in a secure part of the ship. Restrict the access by having Duels of Honor cleared through the ship’s captain (after a formal inquiry). For practice on the “stage” a simpler request can be submitted to the Chief purser. I forget which 007 movie had the scene where Bond plays a casino version of "Missile Defender” in which, the players receive increasing electrical shocks for every point against them. Put some sort of extreme/dangerous gaming room and watch the PCs jump at the chance to prove themselves to their patron or just to go head-to-head with that obnoxious NPC. Going back to the event idea: organized sports bring entertainment and gambling together for the Rich and Famous set. How about the auditorium being more of a small sports arena? Just large enough for whatever sport you want: Indoor American style Football, jai alai, Null Grav Boxing. Limit the actual viewing space available to several rooms equivalent to Sky Booths at stadiums. The rabble can watch it on full holographic in the Sports Lounge; the privileged few can say they felt the vibration when Grughual (the Imperial Comeback-Kid) slammed Vessborggen (aka The Smiling Swordworlder) up against the boards.
 
Head on over to here to see a late-model major cruise vessel:

Royal Carribean's: Voyager of the Seas

When it entered service in Nov, 1999, it was the largest cruise ship affloat (or so the site claims).

Partial Deck Plans are provided. Stateroom overhead 3D-views are provided ("View Layout").

There appears to be quite a difference between the Royal Suite (1188 sq ft & 170 sq ft of exterior balcony), and the Interior Stateroom (160 sq ft). There are five types of suites, and seven types of staterooms.

Ship's facilities include:
Ice-skating rink
Rock-climbing wall
In-line skating track
Royal Promenade (open 24 hours)
Johnny Rockets® '50s-style restaurant
Portofino Italian Restaurant
Themed bars and lounges
Casino RoyaleSM
Golf simulators
9-hole miniature golf course
Adventure Ocean® youth facilities
ShipShape® Day Spa and Fitness Center
Full-size basketball court
Conference Center (400 cap.)
Screening Room
Board Room
Photo/Art Gallery
Theatre
Library
Business Services Center
Internet Access Room
Concierge Club
Several Swimming Pools
Jogging Track
Teen Disco
Skylight Chapel (Deck 15)

Decks appear to be numbered from 2-15, where 2 is the lowest deck.

A very good source for ideas regarding the above.

Other Ship's Facts:
Maiden Voyage: November 21, 1999
Passenger Capacity: 3,114
Godmother: Katarina Witt
Gross Tonnage: 138,000
Length: 1020'
Beam: 157.5'
Draft: 29'
Cruising Speed: 23.7 knots


Oh, I found it (the ship I was talking about in my previous post)!

The sister-ship, Navigator of the Seas, is the one with the giant "Royal Promenade," through the center of the vessel. Navigtor is three years younger than Voyager, but is the same dimensions, even though its layout is different.
 
Or the Queen Mary 2....
http://www.qm2-uk.com/

Passenger Capacity: 2620 + 1253 crew
Gross Tonnage: 151,400
Length: 1132'
Beam: 135'
Draft: 32' 10"
Cruising Speed: approx. 30 knots
 
Hmm, I wonder how many multi-purpose video-poker, slot-machine, etc., console games you could fit into a stateroom sized compartment of 4 dTons?

What would the earnings on such a compartment be given a group of passengers couped up on a week-long jump?
 
It is 4 dton per passenger of which about half is stateroom proper (in most deckplans I've seen). Therefore the stateroom sized compartment would be 2 dtons, about 10' x 10' in size. I estimate that one could put between 7-9 video slot machines in such an area. Let's assume 8 machines with each machine completing an operation in about 10 seconds and assuming the bet is Cr1 per pull and if each machine is operated about 14 hours a day then we have:
6*60*8*14 = Cr40,320
Now, if the machines were set to pay out on average ten percent of gross income then we would have to adjust in to Cr36,288 per day. Multiply that by seven days and we arrive at Cr254,016 per week.
I have to admit to not being much of a video slot machine player myself but I would guess that these figures are not too far from the mark.
 
if the room is behind bulkheads, (And a room that big should be compartmentalized from other sections of ship anyway.) the water would be contained if you lose gravity. Loss of gravity won't drown anyone but will have big water bubbles floating around.
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of course, but water under gravity does not behave the same as water in zero g, when capillary action and surface tension become the major forces controlling it. anyone in the water when gravity goes out will not be able to escape it. water globules floating around will envelope anyone they touch.
Oh, and passengers don't want to hear things like "I'm sorry, we don't have a pool. If the gravity fails...
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in space no-one can hear your warning, eh?
I think interstellar travel would have few amenities. there simply isn't enough space on board for entainment as discussed. and it would be too crowded to boot.
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having done a cruise liner deckplan, I have to agree. there's room for some things, but not much.

assuming CT, of course. with other rule sets, who knows.
 
ok what about non-entertaniment amenities like

Medical ficilitys: say 4 DTs for a "doctors office" on a ship of 1000T+ carying comerchial pasangers.
a pharmarcy (4+DTs) selling Profalatics,space sikness medication, headake tablates and any other mdicines or other "Drug Store" items you fogot to stock up on before leaving home, as well as suporting the ships doctor in mantaining the good health and whelbeaing of the pasngers and crue
onbord "Hospital" say 10 beds per 120 pasangers say 8-12DT/10 beds (including staff stasion).

And you bet (pun defenitaly intended) the slots or pokies as we call them hear in OZ, lets look at the turnover of a 1c mechine you can play betwean 1-20 (or 25) "lines" at 1,2,5,10,20 or even 50 credits (on some mechines) a line thats up to $10.50 a spin just on a one cent mechine no if you play a 5c mechine whet it costs you 5c a credit thats $52.50 or $105.00 for a 10c pokie. and their ded easy to play you pick your bet per line from five or six buttons and the lines you want to play from an other five or six then its just a matter of presing the "spin" button every 5-15 secounds till the cash runs out, of cause the nice pokie michines take doller coins or notes up to hundreds (the largest note we have) and some take "pokie cards" where you just load a debit card up and stick it in a slot provided very conveyant as it keaps you from having to cary all the coins you get from your winnings to the cashiear to get them changed in to notes, wack Keno on top of that and racing and sports betting when your in system and your made. I mean you can take a punters life savings in a jump.
 
What cruise liner deckplan did you do, Flykiller? Was it one of the liners in the now dead 'deckplans contests' or one of your own ship designs?
If it was for the contest then you were limited by the parameters of the contest. If you were to design it yourself, sacrificing cargo space for amenities then the ship could have included a wider range of extras.

IMO, of course.
 
Originally posted by 313:
ok what about non-entertaniment amenities like

onbord "Hospital" say 10 beds per 120 pasangers say 8-12DT/10 beds (including staff stasion).
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On a real cruise ship, they only have a handful of beds in their "hospital": 6-7 max. If you need to be confined to a bed, you stay in the bed in your cabin, and the onboard doc and/or nurse will come by to check on you.

Only someone who needs serious, continuous care would be placed in a hospital bed.
 
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