A second DAY OF INFAMY

[Sven]

My deepest sorrows and all of my prayers go to the familys who lost their beloved ones today.I am shocked looking at the magnitude of these cowardly Attack on the WTC and the Pentagon. I pray for the victims and their familys. I hope, no, I KNOW that this cowardly slaughter will not be left unavenged.
with a feeling of deep sorrow
Sven
Germany

 

[hunter]

The cowards responsible for this will be dealt with, I am sure. My thought is that whoever is responsible and whatever country is harbouring them would make an excellent place to rid ourselves of those nasty nuclear weapons we still possess...

This is a day that I will never forget or forgive...may God have mercy on the souls whose lives were taken or shattered by this event. I know I will be praying for them and their families.

One thing we can all do is give blood. There is a great shortage because of this, so please if you can, donate!

Hunter

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[Spinward Scout]

If anyone would like to do something to help the survivors of the horrible tragedy that happened this morning, here's a Red Cross number you can call:

1-888-BLOOD88 (1-888-256-6388)

and a web page to find local Red Cross chapters:
http://www.redcross.org/where/chapts.html

as well as the main donation website:
http://www.redcross.org/donate

This is a website for the FEMA organization:
http://www.fema.gov/r-n-r/help2.htm

I don't know if any of this will help, but it can't hurt.

Hope all of you are safe and sound on this horrible day,

Scout

 

[MT++]

Canadian Numbers

Donate blood: 1-888-236-6283 (2 donate)

I agree with Bush 100%:

No distinction between the terrorists and those who harbour them.

 

[Blue Ghost]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hunter:
The cowards responsible for this will be dealt with, I am sure. My thought is that whoever is responsible and whatever country is harbouring them would make an excellent place to rid ourselves of those nasty nuclear weapons we still possess...

This is a day that I will never forget or forgive...may God have mercy on the souls whose lives were taken or shattered by this event. I know I will be praying for them and their families.

One thing we can all do is give blood. There is a great shortage because of this, so please if you can, donate!

Hunter

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As for nukes; it wouldn't bother me if one of our Boomers were ordered to launch depth.

 

[DaveShayne]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Blue Ghost:

As for nukes; it wouldn't bother me if one of our Boomers were ordered to launch depth.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I respectfully disagree. Death by radiation poisoning isn't nearly as drawn out or painfull as the perpetrators of this act deserve. To misquote Pulp Fiction - "We ought to get midieval on their ass."

David Shayne

 

[Darium]

We may tease you some times , but there has always been a strong bond between Canadians and Americans. As only one Canadian I'm sure I can say that all Canadians everywhere weep for the passing of so many lives in such a shocking and stunning day. All our hopes and prayers are with you.

 

[TheRaptor]

I am an Australian, and I offer my sympathy
and condolences to the families of the victims. And I think that very soon the people behind the WTC and pentagon attacks will get a nice little gift from some marine recon team or a seal team.

 

[DrSkull]

It will be better to throw the net too wide than too narrow.

Now is not the time for seeking balanced justice, but rather the time for teaching hard lessons that will be remembered for a long time.

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Dave "Dr. Skull" Nelson

 

[Murph]

In San Antonio they are requesting type "O" blood. Please donate.

And then: The only thing these Muslim fanatics understand is FEAR and we should cause them to FEAR us. In a thousand years, the few pitiful survivors should tell their children not to be bad or Uncle Sam will track them down and exterminate them. We are at war. There is no other word for it. For every one of ours that died, we should exact retribution a hundredfold. Use nuclear weapons, turn their cities into glass lined craters, utterly and forever exterminate the vermin. They wanted Jihad, now let them reap the whirlwind.

 

[DaveShayne]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DrSkull:
It will be better to throw the net too wide than too narrow.

Now is not the time for seeking balanced justice, but rather the time for teaching hard lessons that will be remembered for a long time.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Imediate retaliation for terrorist attacks have been used by Israel for the last 30 years or so. It hasn't worked. It only helps to promote the atmosphere of hatred that leads to further attrocities. I understand your feelings but indescriminate retribution is a recipe for escalation of terror.

David Shayne

 

[Takei]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DaveShayne:
Imediate retaliation for terrorist attacks have been used by Israel for the last 30 years or so. It hasn't worked. It only helps to promote the atmosphere of hatred that leads to further attrocities. I understand your feelings but indescriminate retribution is a recipe for escalation of terror.

David Shayne

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I agree entirely. The sad truth of the matter is that you could launch a score of nukes and flatten a score of cities and not actually get even one of the real people behind this.
Do your intel. Plan your strikes. Then hit all your targets in a very short time period and hit them hard.
Adding more innocent victims never solves problems like this.

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Paul

 

[DrSkull]

I didn't say immediate, I didn't say retaliation. I want cold, calculated and eye-opening examples to made of the governments who harbor and supply these bastards. The governments are the ones who need to learn a lesson.

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Dave "Dr. Skull" Nelson

 

[DaveShayne]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DrSkull:
I didn't say immediate, I didn't say retaliation. I want cold, calculated and eye-opening examples to made of the governments who harbor and supply these bastards. The governments are the ones who need to learn a lesson.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

But the end result is the same; more hatred bred against the US. Our policy ought to be one of seeking justice. Justice in this case may (probably will) require military action against the country or countries guilty of harboring the responsible parties but bombing has a very poor record of altering the behavior of governments and a proven track record for creating zealots for opponents.

David Shayne

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[Spinward Scout]

Well, we've got a good portion of the world behind us - Great Britain, Canada, most of Europe, Russia, China, Australia, Japan, etc... We can pretty much do what we want if we have their blessings. And now NATO is behind us as if they were attacked, too. We have a couple of options:

Nuke 'em & let Allah sort them out (which makes us look like jerks for killing innocents).

Invade and sort them out one by one to find who's responsible - with all of these countries behind us and helping us, that shouldn't take too long

Find out who's responsible and where they are at and then find some terminally ill pilots and ask them to volunteer on a suicide run with a fully fuel-loaded 767...

Scout (in a very depressed mood)

 

[hunter]

I vote for giving them 24-48 hours notice to evacuate and them nuke their capital city. We give them enough time to evacuate the civilians, they lose their capital, we risk no US lives. Then we ask them to hand over the suspects for trial.

Works for me. I don't want to destroy civilians indiscriminately, hence the warning. Hell drop leaflets written in Arabic. But these bastards must pay hard and understand the penalty for such attacks against humanity.

Do you really think it will stop through diplomacy or negotiation? So we arrest and try those directly responsible. We have done that before. It doesn't work.

The only way to deal with a bully it to clean his clock and make him taste the fear his has continued to dish out to others.

Hunter

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[Blue Ghost]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hunter:
I vote for giving them 24-48 hours notice to evacuate and them nuke their capital city. We give them enough time to evacuate the civilians, they lose their capital, we risk no US lives. Then we ask them to hand over the suspects for trial.

Works for me. I don't want to destroy civilians indiscriminately, hence the warning. Hell drop leaflets written in Arabic. But these bastards must pay hard and understand the penalty for such attacks against humanity.

Do you really think it will stop through diplomacy or negotiation? So we arrest and try those directly responsible. We have done that before. It doesn't work.

The only way to deal with a bully it to clean his clock and make him taste the fear his has continued to dish out to others.

Hunter

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Agreed. Only I'm not sure I'd give them a warning. One Ohio Class SSBN aught to be able to do the trick.

They wanted a fight. Let's give them one.

 

[MT++]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DaveShayne:
Imediate retaliation for terrorist attacks have been used by Israel for the last 30 years or so. It hasn't worked. It only helps to promote the atmosphere of hatred that leads to further attrocities. I understand your feelings but indescriminate retribution is a recipe for escalation of terror.

David Shayne<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Reagan's 2000 lb HE howdy on Moammar shut him up for ten years. This is a war.
This ends now.

 

[TimAllan]

Hitting a mosquito with a sledge hammer is very difficult. The operation the terrorists carried out was so low tech as to not need government backing and obviosly didn't show up on the intelegence communitys early warning system. If an oversized retaliation is made causing masive civilian casualties, who then is the terrorist? The organisation that carried out the terrorist attacks needs to be positivly identified, and evry one of its members need to be eliminated with one bullet.

 

[Artikid]

I add my simpathy to the families of the victims and to all the US in this tragic moment.
President Bush is right: retaliation MUST come on the terrorists and those who harbour them.
No one should be allowed to do such a thing and go on unscathed.
But I would also like to add that what the US (andthe world) needs most now is Justice, not simple revenge.
Revenge would only bring water to the terrorist's mill.