What is CT+ ?

[The Hinterworlds Rambler]

(wearing London Bobby costume)

What's all this, then?

 

[Whipsnade]

Vaporware

 

[Berg]

Ouch

 

[Whipsnade]

Pardon me.

The only vaporware here is between my ears.

 

[zakrol]

Might be vaporware, might not.

It could end up being a handful of people sorting out some house rules they sort of agree on.

Who knows at the minute - but it's interesting...

 

[The Hinterworlds Rambler]

Ok. Covers are done! Lets get published and retire now...

 

[The Hinterworlds Rambler]

Ahem...

http://groups.msn.com/SidurHaskiDesignConsortium/graphicswork.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=715

 

[mike wightman]

Hey, they're not bad at all.

Well done Baron

 

[jappel]

Bill,

That was a little harsh. FWIW, though, I'm sure that if you were inclined you have much of value to offer. So why not saddle up your pony, loosen your saber in it's scabbard and join us?

"...There will come to your aid, my broken blade / In the last, lost fight of mine!"

Insert appropriate naval metaphor, you old salt. I'm a just an old hell raiser and horse soldier, off for one last melee before heading down the trail to Fiddler's Green.

Regards,

- John

 

[Malenfant]

Well, Bill is right, as things stand at the moment CT+ is 'vapourware'.

CT+ was a proposal by Hunter to update CT for the modern market. Basically to add options to chargen, tweak the mechanics, get some realistic world design in there, make ship design less fiddly, harmonise the assumptions of the setting etc. It had a lot of support from the community, and sounded very promising.

Then Marc obliviously announced T5, and Hunter had to drop CT+ as a result of that.

I guess that people have decided they want to carry on developing CT+ themselves, but all it will ever be is a CotI project unless Hunter can slap some sense into Marc.

 

[zakrol]

Hey Baron - those covers look great although they do get a little strange after the first three

 

[jappel]

Malenfant,

We understand and are aware of your views. I would respectfully ask you to either contribute meaningfully - which, if you are prepared to do in a collegial and non-confrontational fashion, I'm sure you would be welcome to do - or leave us to our devices.

- John

 

[kafka47]

Originally posted by Baron Saarthuran von Gushiddan:
Ahem...

http://groups.msn.com/SidurHaskiDesignConsortium/graphicswork.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=715

Rather nice, Baron. If it is an original exceptionally nice. But, I was rather hoping for more these lines. Suitably modified...of course:

Image 1
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Image 3

Image 4
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Image 10

Or should we just save these images for the interior artwork? But, as it has got to fly off the shelves...I would suggest the covers.

 

[Whipsnade]

Originally posted by Malenfant:
Well, Bill is right, as things stand at the moment CT+ is 'vapourware'.

Dr. Thomas,

Bill is dead wrong and, during a visit from the 'black dog', was talking out of his wrinkled white ass.

I know this because I'm Bill.

Please take John's advice.


Have fun,
Bill

 

[The Hinterworlds Rambler]

Number 4 is cheesy.

 

[Malenfant]

Originally posted by jappel:
We understand and are aware of your views. I would respectfully ask you to either contribute meaningfully

Um, I did. Baron S asked what CT+ was. Since nobody else here had bothered to explain what it was, I explained it.

And Bill - I never purported to know what was going on in your head when you wrote that, but you are still correct - it IS Vaporware, from an official perspective at least. As originally announced, it is something that exists purely in Hunter's mind. Other people seem to be charging ahead with it on their own (which is great), but the CT+ that hunter announced it is not a real product, and if it is then it is on indefinite hold, thus fulfilling the definition of 'vapourware'.

Of course, if you want me to 'back off' just for making the effort to explain things as they actually are then I'll leave you to it.

 

[The Hinterworlds Rambler]

Lords, Please!

If it is a fan effort, so be it!
If it is Vaporware, so be it!

Is it rules modifications to CT?

What are the character of these changes?

Are they complicated, or easy to fathom?

Has the the combat system been redone, or fixed?

A unified character generation system?

The addition of being able to play aliens?

A revamped high guard?

A unified Starship Combat?

Is this of some specific setting?

 

[mike wightman]

This is Hunter's original vision:

If it happens what you'd see is an updated version of the CT rules with a slightly modified MT task system that is compatible with the T20 task system on 'terms of difficulty' (ie: Easy, Hard, Average, etc.).

The personal combat system would be changed over to be compatible with the task system. Armor and Damage would likely be very similar to T20's system.

Characters would not change much as far as background goes, but the randomness would be optional meaning you could randomly generate your character pretty much like original CT or you can pick and choose everything instead. Adding optional rules like Advantages and Disadvantages is something I would also consider.

Vehicles, Starships, etc. would use the T20 systems which are already CT compatible, though these systems might get updated slightly.

New techs would also probably be added, but noted that some campaign settings may only use some of the technological concepts detailed in the rulebook. This would allow us to specify for example in the OTU, nanobots, cybernetic enhancements, FTL communications and such are not used. If a referee wanted to use them, they of course could but the referee would know that the published material for the OTU will not be written with these technologies in mind.

The main idea would be to update the more 'dated' game mechanics and streamline things a bit more, but keep it 100% compatible with the original CT and make it easy to dual stat supplementary for both the updated CT rules and T20.

I'm not looking to dump T20, but I do see a potential market for a more streamlined set of mechanics like what the original CT had to offer.

I then asked what people would have done, hypothetically, if the idea hadn't been dropped.

 

[kafka47]

Originally posted by kafka47:
Don't like our selection of artwork (see previous thread)... Look out me & my droog Merc friends here might take offense...

 

[zakrol]

At the minute there are a number threads debating various rules changes that could make up a CT+ type rules.

This take on CT+ is totally unofficial, may never come to anything and may end up fairly different from Hunter's vision of an official CT+.

At the minute the consensus seems to be towards a consolidated but light variant of CT/MT with bits culled from T4 and T20. But it's early days.

Combat and task system seem to be the major points of debate at the minute. Character generation looks like it may be CT+Supp4/MT basic with tweaks. Aliens are not in the equation as yet.

There is a proposal for revamped LBB2/HG mix for ship design. It will most likely be setting independent though with the usual Traveller tech assumptions.

It's difficult to be too specific with things ongoing but have a look at the threads if you're interested....