Noble Lands

[Drakon]

Though this is not stated anywhere explicitly, is the intent of this (at least in part) to imply that Scouts who receive a Discoverer Land Grant get a Single Hex randomly allocated (I do not believe it tells us anywhere how big a Discoverer Land Grant is)? Does this also imply (though not explicitly stated) that such a Scout has his C6/Soc raised to "A" when he receives such a grant?

I would expect the discoverer of a new world would be elevated to the level of Gentleman. It's not something every one has done.

Or is the intent that a Discoverer's Land Grant is of a size equal to the equivalent Noble Grant per the Trade Classifications of the World/Feature discovered (per p.492 - see bottom right cloumn and Example at bottom of page).

What are people's thoughts?

My thoughts? Nice try, but I don't see the discoverer's land grant as being bigger than a single hex. At least as far as the official grant is concerned.

However, this really depends on who is on the planet. If the planet is uninhabited and you got there first, who is going to restrict you to a single Terrain hex?

 

[esampson]

The Imperium? I'm pretty sure that the Empire does not subscribe to the concept of Decemuirum Inuentoribus where planets are concerned.

 

[rancke]

The Imperium? I'm pretty sure that the Empire does not subscribe to the concept of Decemuirum Inuentoribus where planets are concerned.

I suspect the Imperium doesn't even know what the concept of Decemuirum Inuentoribus is. I sure don't, and neither does Google.


Hans

 

[whulorigan]

I would expect the discoverer of a new world would be elevated to the level of Gentleman. It's not something every one has done.

My thoughts? Nice try, but I don't see the discoverer's land grant as being bigger than a single hex. At least as far as the official grant is concerned.

I lean toward the single terrain-hex grant as well with a corresponding elevation to Gentleman (perhaps not actualized until physical posession of the Land Grant is undertaken).

 

[Spartan159]

google translate does though. auto-detected as Latin, comes out keepers finders

 

[rancke]

google translate does though. auto-detected as Latin, comes out keepers finders

I stand corrected.

The Imperium seems to practice keepers keepers. Whoever ends up in control of a world gets to keep it.


Hans

 

[whulorigan]

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I think the difference is that Duke "f" is a clearly lower rank (it has only a 64-hex Land grant) as opposed to Duke "F" (which has a 128-hex grant), and covers both the Subsector Duke, in addition to the one who simply ends up with the Sector-Level responsibilities in addition to the Subsector level ones of his grant.

The Sector/Subsector Governor difference for Duke-F seems to be merely one of governmental administrative authority, whereas Duke-f is of genuinely lower social position.

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I would suggest that F-dukes were high dukes and f-dukes were honor and rank dukes, if it wasn't for the lack of corresponding honor and rank counts, viscounts, marquesses, and barons.

Since one "rises thru the ranks" thru Noble Promotion, the way I look at it (although it might be slightly different than what the T5 rules intend) is that all worlds in a subsector of Importance 4+ warrant a High Noble Duke-f (with 64 land-grant hexes). Remember that in T5 apparently all High Noble Titles appear to be associated with a single world of varying economic or political importance. One of these f-level Dukes is chosen by the Emperor to be granted the responsibility of Subsector Governor and elevated to Duke-F as a distinction, which includes an additional Land Grant of 128 hexes on the Subsector Capital.

If for some reason the Emperor is unhappy with his/her (or one of his/her descendants) administration of the Subsector, the Duke in question can be removed from that responsibility (forfeiting the 128-hex grant and effectively reducing him to Duke-f [he retains the 64-hex ducal grant on his "Duchy" world]) and the administration can be granted to a different Duke-f (who would then be elevated to Duke-F and given the said 128-hex grant on the Capital World).