Imperial Navy Recruiting
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No, but I did know that Howard Chandler Christy painted a series of armed forces recruitment posters for the U.S. in the years preceding and during WW I.
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Thanks, GChuck - I spent about two hours browsing that site!?!
Some cool sci-fi art there.
Some cool sci-fi art there.
The poster is damn cool - I love the way you painted/rendered it.
Anyhow, the only problem with it is that as far as I remember the Imperium recruits alot of women to combat positions, as opposed to the US armed forces in WII; however, there are probably some factions in the Solomani Confederacy (not all of them!) who'll havejust the right kind of attitude to issue such a propaganda poster
Anyhow, the only problem with it is that as far as I remember the Imperium recruits alot of women to combat positions, as opposed to the US armed forces in WII; however, there are probably some factions in the Solomani Confederacy (not all of them!) who'll havejust the right kind of attitude to issue such a propaganda poster
The Imperium seems to recruit as many women as men in all its civilian and military organisations. When I make up an NPC where the gender is irrelevant to the plot, I usually throw a die to determine it (To circumvent my own built-in biasses). I 'cheat' a bit by giving marines two thirds chance of being male, but that's all (Although I did at one time have the notion of a pocket empire with a maximum size requirement for its navy and marines (thus reducing life support requirements and combat equipment a bit). If I ever go ahead with that idea, I'll have two thirds females in those services).Originally posted by Employee 2-4601:
The poster is damn cool - I love the way you painted/rendered it.
Anyhow, the only problem with it is that as far as I remember the Imperium recruits alot of women to combat positions, as opposed to the US armed forces in WII; however, there are probably some factions in the Solomani Confederacy (not all of them!) who'll havejust the right kind of attitude to issue such a propaganda poster
Maybe the poster is from an alternate universe.
Hans
The Imperium seems to recruit as many women as men in all its civilian and military organisations. When I make up an NPC where the gender is irrelevant to the plot, I usually throw a die to determine it (To circumvent my own built-in biasses). I 'cheat' a bit by giving marines two thirds chance of being male, but that's all (Although I did at one time have the notion of a pocket empire with a maximum size requirement for its navy and marines (thus reducing life support requirements and combat equipment a bit). If I ever go ahead with that idea, I'll have two thirds females in those services).Originally posted by rancke:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Employee 2-4601:
The poster is damn cool - I love the way you painted/rendered it.
Anyhow, the only problem with it is that as far as I remember the Imperium recruits alot of women to combat positions, as opposed to the US armed forces in WII; however, there are probably some factions in the Solomani Confederacy (not all of them!) who'll havejust the right kind of attitude to issue such a propaganda poster
Maybe the poster is from an alternate universe.
Hans </font>[/QUOTE]Slightly OT maybe... but AFAIK the German army has or had a maximum size requirement for the Armor branch, because a a 6´4" guy just isn´t going to fit too well into a tank. So maximum size isn´t such an unrealistic idea.
However, we might think of the poster, it would be designed for the User's own profile. I am currently working on Usability for my work and it is frightening somewhat.
It is not inconcievable to see the world forcasted by Minority Report, where by tailored advertisements would appear by what each individual looking at it. So, I would see the deviantart poster, whereas, my wife would see Pierce Bronsan or some one another. Imagine the array of images that could be used to directly manipulate core centres of the brain without being actually psionic just the culmulation of data one uses in everyday life.
Naturally, the armed forces of the Imperium know this and feed those images very early on any High Tech civilization's datastream.
It is not inconcievable to see the world forcasted by Minority Report, where by tailored advertisements would appear by what each individual looking at it. So, I would see the deviantart poster, whereas, my wife would see Pierce Bronsan or some one another. Imagine the array of images that could be used to directly manipulate core centres of the brain without being actually psionic just the culmulation of data one uses in everyday life.
Naturally, the armed forces of the Imperium know this and feed those images very early on any High Tech civilization's datastream.
While it is tempting, I must confess that this is not my work. Gimmee 5yrs and I might be able to come close though.
Kafka has possibly opened up a whole new genre of adventure generation, mind control through subliminal advertising.
"You like 'Sola-Cola', you will kill for 'Sola-Cola'. Bwah ha ha.
Chuck
Kafka has possibly opened up a whole new genre of adventure generation, mind control through subliminal advertising.
"You like 'Sola-Cola', you will kill for 'Sola-Cola'. Bwah ha ha.
Chuck
Not quite subliminal but the constant use of archetypes and online personaes to meet and match. For the more bloodthirsty, adventure it might show someone attacking a lion or similar furcious creature. For the romatic, it might show a scene of departing soldiers and love ones keeping the home fires burning. You have only scratched the surfaces when you then begin to integrate these images into HUDs, where the soldier adventurer is not kill sentients anymore, just video images overlaid of what they might hate most.
IIRC most countries have a minimum height requirement, with special branches often having a height maximum. In the US, I believe that this is in tanks and fighter pilots, since as already mentioned putting a 6'6" man into a fighter cockpit maximised for 6'2" is a bad thing.
As for sex ratios, I would say 70:30 for hard combat types, marines, etc., 60:40 fighters and possibly even 40:60 for naval personnel. Male:Female
As for sex ratios, I would say 70:30 for hard combat types, marines, etc., 60:40 fighters and possibly even 40:60 for naval personnel. Male:Female
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One word: AMAZONS!
Yes, I have distaff combat formations IMTU.
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There's your answer.
MTU has thoroughly integrated societies as well as cultures that feature all sorts of interesting gender roles and taboos - a strict military matriarchy on a high pop world that supports a significant colonial army presence, for example.
Want to draw up a Solomani one, GChuck? Here's a WWII Soviet poster for inspiration:
It says something along the lines of "Motherland Calls"; it would probably be "Terra Awaits!" in the Solomani version
Note: I do not think the SolConfed is very similar to the USSR, but this poster just fit the "Mother Earth" archetype with the right amount of militarism. And remember that 'liberating' Terra is the most symbolic goal of the Rebellion-era Solomani assault and its most symbolic gain.
It says something along the lines of "Motherland Calls"; it would probably be "Terra Awaits!" in the Solomani version
Note: I do not think the SolConfed is very similar to the USSR, but this poster just fit the "Mother Earth" archetype with the right amount of militarism. And remember that 'liberating' Terra is the most symbolic goal of the Rebellion-era Solomani assault and its most symbolic gain.
2-4601,
The cultural bias is your primary answer.
However, even in a bias-free society, unless technology like battledress, cybernetics, and the like are as common as socks and shoes there will still be some differentiation by gender.
We can't ignore the fact that there are marked physical differences between the sexes. Men - as a group - are stronger and faster than women - as a group, women - as a group - can withstand more gee forces then men - as a group, and there are other differences too. Naturally, there are individuals who do not meet those specifications and there is some overlap within each population, but the differences are still there whether we want them to be there are not.
Because how we're made, someone of us a better suited for some jobs than others.
IMTU the Imperium and its more pragmatic member states have no sex based barriers for any position. All that matters is whether you can perform the job. In some jobs, you ability to perfom in some physical is paramount. In those cases, the polities in question have tests(1). Pass the test and you're in; male, female, it doesn't matter.
This leads to gender-skewed representation. Poor bloody infantry/marines is majority male, fighter pilots majority female, etc.
Naturally, MTU being a Whipsnadian TU, I also milk the idea of gender bias and discrimination for laughs and We're Not In Kansas moments.
Mora, one of my favorite whipping boys, has a female-majority army. Males are stoop labor and canon fodder. The female-to-male ratio increases dramatically as you climb the rank structure; about half of all privates, hardly any officers, and no generals were male.
Another world I bedeviled my group with had enforced equality on every level. People were drafted into the armed forces in order to maintain the 'proper' percentages. Every unit had to have the 'proper' number of each sex represented no matter what the effect on its actual efficiency. Equality was all that mattered, no other concerns need apply. When my player ran across that world's forces bogged down in a peace-making mission hilarity ensued.
Of course, I showed the flip side. Completely chauvinistic societies whose members my female NPCs delighted in pissing off!
Have fun,
Bill
1 - Physical testing in itself can be biased. A famous case in the US involved the 'heroic' FDNY. When finally told by the courts to allow females to apply, FDNY came up with a physical test that most of its current, all male membership could not pass. Naturally, none of the female applicants passed. It took another court ruling and work by NYU to come up with a physical test that accurately and correctly measured an applicant's ability to work as a firefighter.
IMTU, the Imperium and other groups are interested in seeing whether you can do the job so biased testing does not occur on their part. BIased testing is very much a part of other groups however.
The main difference is in muscle mass (males tend to grow muscles a little bit more than females), and pain tolerance (female humans have to endure giving birth, so they are wired to endure pain somewhat better), but both are very heavily influenced by the environment. Training and williness could allow a woman to become quite fit (not schwartzenegger-fit but quite fit nonetheless and capable of hard physical work) or a man to endure pain better.
The question boils down to the muscle mass required to be a grunt or the pain (or G) tolerance required to be a fighter pilot.
And remember that the main requirement from a modern grunt is long-term endurance (i.e. running long distances with full combat load) and fast reaction rather than directed brute force.
2-4601,
Which I why I specifically mentioned testing and also cautioned about biased testing using the historical FDNY example.
I dont know if, by TL15, extra muscle mass will be required of grunts or gee-tolerance required of fighter pilots. I merely brought up those known differences as an example. However, whether it is TL5, TL10, or TL15 there will still be physical requirements in the military. And, because males and females are different physically, those requirements will shunt members of one sex into certain roles while shunting members of the other sex into other roles.
Will such selection create 100% male or female units? No. A test that which only 10% of males can pass could very well be passed by 5% or 55% of females. It all depends on the test. There will be members of either sex who can meet the requirements of any test.
This is why, IMTU, the Imperial military is essentially co-ed. There may be certain specialties whose unbiased requirements select more of one sex than another, but there are no male-only or female-only units. The Imperium is interested in results and not farcical cultural taboos.
Have fun,
Bill
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The main difference is in muscle mass (males tend to grow muscles a little bit more than females), and pain tolerance (female humans have to endure giving birth, so they are wired to endure pain somewhat better), but both are very heavily influenced by the environment. Training and williness could allow a woman to become quite fit (not schwartzenegger-fit but quite fit nonetheless and capable of hard physical work) or a man to endure pain better.
</font>[/QUOTE]And i've only heard of one study on the pain issue as opposed to general old wives tales and the conclusion said men generally coped better with most types of pain, but there was variation depending on the different pain stimuli.
Another important factor for teeth arms is aggression and the average woman is not as aggressive as the average man and the average infantryman is far more aggressive than most men, therefore most infantry will be men.
You probably won't meet many women without some sort of mental illness who enjoy violence more than I do, I confess I quite enjoy a punch up.
As for training and enviroment, the factor that determines how strong you COULD be is your genetics, the training, nutrition and er... pharmacology
