Fate of the Kinunir
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Easterner9504
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The book covers the final mission of the ship and centers around Keng in 1088. It is a stand alone book. SHADOW OF THE STORM is a 2nd TRAV book covering Simon Crowe a Confederation Naval officer and covers 1099-1108 (mostly in flashbacks, bulk is set in 1108) Very heavy emphasis on combat and workings of SolSec, KINUNIR is more balanced and had room for more character development.
Major Characters are Captain Telson a decorated big ship captain who is writing a book on naval tactics that he expects to get him assigned to the War College and an admiralcy.
Commander Franks who designed a new AI to run a starship.
M-5 err HAL 9000, errr Allie the AI.
The book is not well received in TRAV circles.
I thought it was excellent!
It had several errors though.
Interchanged noble and royalty, an American-type error. All Royals are nobles, few nobles are royalty. Royalty are ruling families, I don't think even Strephon is a Royal, just a Duke (noble) with a special title.
Referred to Shionthy as interdicted (correct) then twice as an Amber Zone (it's Red Zone).
Had Keng guarded by a dreadnought that was destroyed by pirates. a BB class warship is 100 times the size of Kinunir and could never be defeated by corsairs. Author must have assumed BC Kinunir was a near dreadnought sized ship. Keng should have had a DE or DD class warship.
The book covers the final mission of the ship and centers around Keng in 1088. It is a stand alone book. SHADOW OF THE STORM is a 2nd TRAV book covering Simon Crowe a Confederation Naval officer and covers 1099-1108 (mostly in flashbacks, bulk is set in 1108) Very heavy emphasis on combat and workings of SolSec, KINUNIR is more balanced and had room for more character development.
Major Characters are Captain Telson a decorated big ship captain who is writing a book on naval tactics that he expects to get him assigned to the War College and an admiralcy.
Commander Franks who designed a new AI to run a starship.
M-5 err HAL 9000, errr Allie the AI.
The book is not well received in TRAV circles.
I thought it was excellent!
It had several errors though.
Interchanged noble and royalty, an American-type error. All Royals are nobles, few nobles are royalty. Royalty are ruling families, I don't think even Strephon is a Royal, just a Duke (noble) with a special title.
Referred to Shionthy as interdicted (correct) then twice as an Amber Zone (it's Red Zone).
Had Keng guarded by a dreadnought that was destroyed by pirates. a BB class warship is 100 times the size of Kinunir and could never be defeated by corsairs. Author must have assumed BC Kinunir was a near dreadnought sized ship. Keng should have had a DE or DD class warship.
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Easterner9504
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Neat stuff
One item in the book should become a standard accessory for travellers. So head on over to Keng and haggle this 10cr item down to 4cr.
A striped scarf.
Oh did I mention the colors change to warn of deadly gases?
Oh and you then snap it at both ends it will now conform to your face and becomes a filter mask that keeps even the most noxious odors from the wearer.
It is made from a heavily mutated cotton.
One item in the book should become a standard accessory for travellers. So head on over to Keng and haggle this 10cr item down to 4cr.
A striped scarf.
Oh did I mention the colors change to warn of deadly gases?
Oh and you then snap it at both ends it will now conform to your face and becomes a filter mask that keeps even the most noxious odors from the wearer.
It is made from a heavily mutated cotton.
There is, or was, an excerpt posted somewhere, the first fifth or fourth of the book. I strongly suggest you track it down and read it before investing in this piece of... stuff.
Royalty are a class above nobility, the distinction being, as you say, that they are sovereign rulers and family of rulers. That's why rulers of small countries outrank nobles of much larger provinces.
Mind you, things may be different in a Far Future interstellar empire where an interstellar noble apparantly outranks planetary royals..
Strephon and his family are the only (interstellar) royals in the Imperium. They say that the Imperium has a Rule of Man rather than a Rule of Law. Well, Strephon is that man.
The author seems to have ignored (or been ignorant of) anything other than Adventure 1.
Hans
mike wightman
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It's definitely set in the proto-Traveller small ship universe where the Kinunir is a battle cruiser so a dreadnaught may well be in the 2-5kt range.
As to the merits of the book, it's not a bad story really, and the ending is priceless and typical of CT adventures...
I doubt very much if it can be considered a piece of Traveller canon though, since it contradicts just about everything we come to know about the 3I setting.
Perhaps someone can ask MWM if the novel is canonical or should be considers an alternate universe.
As to the merits of the book, it's not a bad story really, and the ending is priceless and typical of CT adventures...
I doubt very much if it can be considered a piece of Traveller canon though, since it contradicts just about everything we come to know about the 3I setting.
Perhaps someone can ask MWM if the novel is canonical or should be considers an alternate universe.
Easterner9504
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Ship
I asked Marc!
The reason I believe the Emperors are noble and not royal is because the 3rd Imperium was based on the Roman Empire. If the Imperator had declared himself royal the citizens would have revolted as kings were despised in Rome. The emperors actual title was First Citizen (princeps civitatis). Spokesmen always refer to the Imperial Family not the Royal Family in JTAS news.
i.e. Royal de jure but not royal de facto.
I asked Marc!
The reason I believe the Emperors are noble and not royal is because the 3rd Imperium was based on the Roman Empire. If the Imperator had declared himself royal the citizens would have revolted as kings were despised in Rome. The emperors actual title was First Citizen (princeps civitatis). Spokesmen always refer to the Imperial Family not the Royal Family in JTAS news.
i.e. Royal de jure but not royal de facto.
You asked him what, and what did he tell you?
The Roman Empire may have inspired some features of the Third Imperium, but it would be very strange if the Imperium was a cut-and-paste copy of the Roman Empire in the Far Future. As, indeed, it should be quite obvious that it isn't. There are lots of differences, great and small, between the two.
Whereas Strephon's title is 'Emperor'.
That's because emperors are a more prestigious subclass of royalty and it would be insulting to refer to them as mere royals.
Hans
Easterner9504
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I asked him if canon per Mike W. He hasn't answered yet.
OK, I get it. The book is the story of the missing first Kinunir-class ship.
Makes more sense now. In the lore, that ship was lost. So, the book is the story of how they met their demise.
If I'm correct, then it makes sense that there's no sequel. I had just forgotten that piece of the lore.
Makes more sense now. In the lore, that ship was lost. So, the book is the story of how they met their demise.
If I'm correct, then it makes sense that there's no sequel. I had just forgotten that piece of the lore.
Easterner9504
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No sequel yet. The ship was found and presumably later returned to service after 1105. So that is not the story you were looking for it is just the last voyage of the CREW.
