101 Vehicles on CDRom
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Just for clarification (lots of dead brain cells in this area) is DGP the stuff where one of the owners has determined NEVER to allow it to be republished? or am I thinking of something else. I need a score card to keep track of all the 'behind the scenes' drama reported in the rumor mill.
I had that suspicion, since it's not a GDW publication.
But I was suprised that DriveThruRPG doesn't offer it. Does anyone know if DGP has been approached?
101 Vehicles is selling various places online for $25 for a used copy and I'd hate to pay that much if I could get a PDF for $7.
But I was suprised that DriveThruRPG doesn't offer it. Does anyone know if DGP has been approached?
101 Vehicles is selling various places online for $25 for a used copy and I'd hate to pay that much if I could get a PDF for $7.
Clambo,
Your post count indicates you're new to our community so I'll fill you in on the basics. (If you'd read ATPollard's post before making your own post, you'd have had your question answered before you asked it!)
Towards the end of MT, GDW decided to 're-boot' Traveller. The new version, TNE, would see the Rebellion and would use GDW's House RPG System.
DGP didn't exactly like either of those plans. For most of it's life, they'd been running MT as a kind of subcontractor to GDW. They liked the RPG system being used and felt the Rebellion storyline was still viable. They approached GDW about buying Traveller and, when they learned GDW wouldn't sell, decided to strike out on their own. They stopped producing Traveller materials and began work on a RPG of their own called AI.
After a bit, things happened as things tend to do. DGP decided to get out of the RPG business and looked about for a buyer for their various materials. One fellow did show up, he bought all of DGP's IP rights, and DGP shut their doors.
That left things a little screwy from an IP standpoint. Traveller materials, especially MT materials, were now split into three rough groupings:
- GDW written and GDW published.
- Third party written and GDW published.
- Third party written and third party published with GDW's okay; i.e. the authorized for use with Traveller logo.
When GDW closed up shop, Mr. Miller retained copyright to all of the first two catagories while the fellow who purchased DGP owned all of the third catagory.
For various reasons that we shouldn't go into here, the fellow who ones the third group isn't interesting in reprinting the material, letting anyone else reprint the material, or letting anyone else(1) use the information in the material.
All this means that books like LBB:8 Robots, which DGP wrote for GDW to publish, are available while books like 101 Vehicles, which DGP both write and published, are not.
Have fun,
Bill
1 - Apparently, Mr. Miller, or his designees, can reference DGP materials to create new Traveller materials. They can't reprint DGP's work in toto however.
No, DGP's current owner is unwilling to pay marc's rates for a license, and is unwilling to sell for the low-5 digit range he was supposedly offered. Now, that low-5-digit is probably worthless.
Of course, given the upcoming STL, he might be able to E-pub under the STL... but I doubt he will. Rodger wanted 6 digits in the sale price, with no leading zeros...
And to clarify Bill's comments, the only 3rd party materials owned by Rodger Sanger (the guy who bought the DGP IP's) are those that DGP did, and not even all of those. The Seeker materials for MT, and all the non-DGP 3rd party materials published under the "Approved for use with Traveller" materials were owned by their publishers, and most have made their way to MT. Certain MTJ's are copyright GDW....
Of course, given the upcoming STL, he might be able to E-pub under the STL... but I doubt he will. Rodger wanted 6 digits in the sale price, with no leading zeros...
And to clarify Bill's comments, the only 3rd party materials owned by Rodger Sanger (the guy who bought the DGP IP's) are those that DGP did, and not even all of those. The Seeker materials for MT, and all the non-DGP 3rd party materials published under the "Approved for use with Traveller" materials were owned by their publishers, and most have made their way to MT. Certain MTJ's are copyright GDW....
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Note that Roger does allow some people to use his IPs, and fairly extensively. Unfortunately, those people haven't created products, mostly because they have real lives and jobs.
For example, the Traveller Integrated Timeline uses DGP materials pretty extensively, but with attribution, credit, and thanks.
For example, the Traveller Integrated Timeline uses DGP materials pretty extensively, but with attribution, credit, and thanks.
Guilty as charged
I misread ATPollards post. So my bad.
But then I wouldn't have gotten more info on the wonderful soap opera that is the death of GDW.
I'm one of those fellows who played and ref'd Classic Traveller from the day it came out in '77. But later I played 2300AD in college and was never aware of the whole MegaTraveller scene. I recently bought a copy of the Rebellion sourcebook through DriveThruRPG and was fascinated by the whole storyline.
Thanks guys.
I misread ATPollards post. So my bad.
But then I wouldn't have gotten more info on the wonderful soap opera that is the death of GDW.
I'm one of those fellows who played and ref'd Classic Traveller from the day it came out in '77. But later I played 2300AD in college and was never aware of the whole MegaTraveller scene. I recently bought a copy of the Rebellion sourcebook through DriveThruRPG and was fascinated by the whole storyline.
Thanks guys.
