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Old September 4th, 2016, 08:20 PM
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Just checking your math, if including the skill levels then 2 rolls of 5+ and 2 rolls of 7+, right? So ~23/5%?
2 rolls of 5+ and 2 rolls of 7+ is correct.

30/36 x 21/36 x 30/36 x 21/36 = 0.2363 = about 24% = < 1 in 4 chance of passing
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2 rolls of 5+ and 2 rolls of 7+ is correct.

30/36 x 21/36 x 30/36 x 21/36 = 0.2363 = about 24% = < 1 in 4 chance of passing
Stiff. Not sure that was the intention of the OP
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That's the other part. I would tend to reuse the underlying matrix for the passenger system to define job openings instead of available passengers.

Low passage would be available level 0-1 level jobs, mid passage level 2 jobs, and high passage level 3 jobs.

So on a low pop rock, it may be weeks before even a level 1 working passage opens up.

And, they may not be for the specialty one has. Could be people hold lower certifications too in their secondary skills 'just in case'

The system could also be used in reverse, to see what crew is available at what skill level desired.

Level 4 Master jobs are not going to be on the job boards- too specialized, 'discrete', dangerous and expensive, it would be patrons and people who know people going both ways in order for a deal to be struck, or waiting for the 'right' job rather then picking up lower paying jobs beneath their station.
I like that ... good repurposing of the existing tables!
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Stiff. Not sure that was the intention of the OP
Several passes with this seems to suggest to me more like 40%.

III and IV are supposed to be harder, hence the fourth roll. High risk/reward.

But let's say the math is right on the probability of sequenced rolls. That is too low for III, but not necessarily IV.

Two ways to go.

Perhaps reduce the Class III to 3 5+ rolls and one 7+. That should boost us close to 50%.



The other way would be to allow character mods to the rolls. I was trying to avoid that.

I would use EDU as the prime stat for the Written and Oral portions, and INT or appropriate physical mod for Simulation and Intern.

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You'd need to add in a cottage industry of "Skill certification for less..."
heh. "before you take what we teach you and try to sell it to american airlines ... you gotta get by me first."

the way around that is in-house training. no business survives that trains people who then transfer to their competitors. the imperial/subsector/planetary navies will train their people to their own satisfaction. civilian shippers who venture into hazardous areas will either take career naval gunners or train their own. I can't envision anyone being satisfied with out-system certifications of unknown provenance.

perhaps the various navies make their gunnery training available to civilian agencies in pursuit of various political goals. "admiral, we want to open up trade with this world, but there is some interference along the way, make naval training available to this group / that corporation / anybody who wants it."
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Stiff. Not sure that was the intention of the OP
I agree.
Some numbers just to help:

Roll 2+ Four times on 2d6 = 100%
Roll 3+ Four times on 2d6 = 89.3%
Roll 4+ Four times on 2d6 = 70.6%
Roll 5+ Four times on 2d6 = 48.2%
Roll 6+ Four times on 2d6 = 27.2%
Roll 7+ Four times on 2d6 = 11.6%
Roll 8+ Four times on 2d6 = 3.0%

The odds of rolling a natural 12 on a single roll of 2d6 are 2.8% (for comparison)
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Testing for Skill-3 Certification: Class 100 ... 20 candidates = 13 fail and 7 pass
Written (5+) = (2d6)[6][5](11)
Simulation (7+) = (2d6)[3][4](7)
Oral (5+) = (2d6)[4][5](9)
Intern (7+) = (2d6)[6][3](9)

Written (5+) = (2d6)[1][4](5)
Simulation (7+) = (2d6)[4][5](9)
Oral (5+) = (2d6)[6][1](7)
Intern (7+) = (2d6)[4][6](10)

Written (5+) = (2d6)[5][5](10)
Simulation (7+) = (2d6)[3][6](9)
Oral (5+) = (2d6)[2][6](8)
Intern (7+) = (2d6)[5][4](9)

Written (5+) = (2d6)[2][5](7)
Simulation (7+) = (2d6)[6][3](9)
Oral (5+) = (2d6)[5][4](9)
Intern (7+) = (2d6)[4][4](8)

Written (5+) = (2d6)[2][6](8)
Simulation (7+) = (2d6)[1][5](6)
Oral (5+) = (2d6)[5][6](11)
Intern (7+) = (2d6)[2][5](7)

Written (5+) = (2d6)[4][5](9)
Simulation (7+) = (2d6)[4][3](7)
Oral (5+) = (2d6)[6][2](8)
Intern (7+) = (2d6)[3][4](7)

Written (5+) = (2d6)[6][6](12)
Simulation (7+) = (2d6)[4][1](5)
Oral (5+) = (2d6)[5][3](8)
Intern (7+) = (2d6)[4][1](5)

Written (5+) = (2d6)[1][4](5)
Simulation (7+) = (2d6)[3][6](9)
Oral (5+) = (2d6)[1][6](7)
Intern (7+) = (2d6)[3][3](6)

Written (5+) = (2d6)[6][3](9)
Simulation (7+) = (2d6)[2][5](7)
Oral (5+) = (2d6)[3][3](6)
Intern (7+) = (2d6)[4][1](5)

Written (5+) = (2d6)[2][1](3)
Simulation (7+) = (2d6)[4][2](6)
Oral (5+) = (2d6)[2][6](8)
Intern (7+) = (2d6)[5][2](7)

Written (5+) = (2d6)[5][3](8)
Simulation (7+) = (2d6)[3][3](6)
Oral (5+) = (2d6)[5][6](11)
Intern (7+) = (2d6)[4][6](10)

Written (5+) = (2d6)[4][6](10)
Simulation (7+) = (2d6)[5][5](10)
Oral (5+) = (2d6)[6][2](8)
Intern (7+) = (2d6)[1][6](7)

Written (5+) = (2d6)[4][2](6)
Simulation (7+) = (2d6)[4][1](5)
Oral (5+) = (2d6)[4][1](5)
Intern (7+) = (2d6)[1][6](7)

Written (5+) = (2d6)[2][4](6)
Simulation (7+) = (2d6)[1][4](5)
Oral (5+) = (2d6)[4][6](10)
Intern (7+) = (2d6)[6][2](8)

Written (5+) = (2d6)[3][2](5)
Simulation (7+) = (2d6)[5][1](6)
Oral (5+) = (2d6)[2][3](5)
Intern (7+) = (2d6)[1][5](6)

Written (5+) = (2d6)[3][6](9)
Simulation (7+) = (2d6)[3][2](5)
Oral (5+) = (2d6)[1][3](4)
Intern (7+) = (2d6)[2][5](7)

Written (5+) = (2d6)[5][5](10)
Simulation (7+) = (2d6)[5][3](8)
Oral (5+) = (2d6)[6][6](12)
Intern (7+) = (2d6)[2][2](4)

Written (5+) = (2d6)[4][2](6)
Simulation (7+) = (2d6)[6][2](8)
Oral (5+) = (2d6)[2][5](7)
Intern (7+) = (2d6)[3][4](7)

Written (5+) = (2d6)[6][2](8)
Simulation (7+) = (2d6)[5][1](6)
Oral (5+) = (2d6)[5][5](10)
Intern (7+) = (2d6)[6][1](7)

Written (5+) = (2d6)[5][2](7)
Simulation (7+) = (2d6)[3][5](8)
Oral (5+) = (2d6)[5][4](9)
Intern (7+) = (2d6)[3][3](6)
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Testing for Skill-3 Certification: Class 101 ... 20 candidates = 16 fail and 4 pass
Written (5+) = (2d6)[6][1](7)
Simulation (7+) = (2d6)[1][6](7)
Oral (5+) = (2d6)[6][5](11)
Intern (7+) = (2d6)[2][5](7)

Written (5+) = (2d6)[3][6](9)
Simulation (7+) = (2d6)[1][4](5)
Oral (5+) = (2d6)[3][1](4)
Intern (7+) = (2d6)[3][3](6)

Written (5+) = (2d6)[4][2](6)
Simulation (7+) = (2d6)[3][3](6)
Oral (5+) = (2d6)[2][2](4)
Intern (7+) = (2d6)[6][2](8)

Written (5+) = (2d6)[4][1](5)
Simulation (7+) = (2d6)[4][6](10)
Oral (5+) = (2d6)[6][1](7)
Intern (7+) = (2d6)[1][6](7)

Written (5+) = (2d6)[2][2](4)
Simulation (7+) = (2d6)[6][1](7)
Oral (5+) = (2d6)[6][1](7)
Intern (7+) = (2d6)[6][2](8)

Written (5+) = (2d6)[1][6](7)
Simulation (7+) = (2d6)[6][3](9)
Oral (5+) = (2d6)[1][2](3)
Intern (7+) = (2d6)[5][4](9)

Written (5+) = (2d6)[3][2](5)
Simulation (7+) = (2d6)[1][5](6)
Oral (5+) = (2d6)[4][1](5)
Intern (7+) = (2d6)[1][1](2)

Written (5+) = (2d6)[1][4](5)
Simulation (7+) = (2d6)[6][6](12)
Oral (5+) = (2d6)[5][1](6)
Intern (7+) = (2d6)[6][6](12)

Written (5+) = (2d6)[2][5](7)
Simulation (7+) = (2d6)[6][2](8)
Oral (5+) = (2d6)[6][5](11)
Intern (7+) = (2d6)[4][1](5)

Written (5+) = (2d6)[5][3](8)
Simulation (7+) = (2d6)[3][5](8)
Oral (5+) = (2d6)[5][2](7)
Intern (7+) = (2d6)[3][2](5)

Written (5+) = (2d6)[3][3](6)
Simulation (7+) = (2d6)[1][6](7)
Oral (5+) = (2d6)[3][1](4)
Intern (7+) = (2d6)[1][3](4)

Written (5+) = (2d6)[4][1](5)
Simulation (7+) = (2d6)[3][3](6)
Oral (5+) = (2d6)[1][3](4)
Intern (7+) = (2d6)[2][3](5)

Written (5+) = (2d6)[2][2](4)
Simulation (7+) = (2d6)[4][1](5)
Oral (5+) = (2d6)[6][1](7)
Intern (7+) = (2d6)[2][5](7)

Written (5+) = (2d6)[4][4](8)
Simulation (7+) = (2d6)[3][2](5)
Oral (5+) = (2d6)[5][6](11)
Intern (7+) = (2d6)[4][2](6)

Written (5+) = (2d6)[2][4](6)
Simulation (7+) = (2d6)[2][5](7)
Oral (5+) = (2d6)[4][2](6)
Intern (7+) = (2d6)[2][2](4)

Written (5+) = (2d6)[2][5](7)
Simulation (7+) = (2d6)[4][3](7)
Oral (5+) = (2d6)[1][6](7)
Intern (7+) = (2d6)[5][2](7)

Written (5+) = (2d6)[1][3](4)
Simulation (7+) = (2d6)[3][1](4)
Oral (5+) = (2d6)[3][4](7)
Intern (7+) = (2d6)[6][1](7)

Written (5+) = (2d6)[2][2](4)
Simulation (7+) = (2d6)[3][1](4)
Oral (5+) = (2d6)[1][6](7)
Intern (7+) = (2d6)[2][3](5)

Written (5+) = (2d6)[4][3](7)
Simulation (7+) = (2d6)[1][2](3)
Oral (5+) = (2d6)[4][3](7)
Intern (7+) = (2d6)[3][6](9)

Written (5+) = (2d6)[1][1](2)
Simulation (7+) = (2d6)[3][2](5)
Oral (5+) = (2d6)[1][1](2)
Intern (7+) = (2d6)[4][2](6)
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Hmm, maybe I shouldn't be using loaded dice for testing?

Seriously, assuming those are typical random results, how about runs on three 5s and a 7?
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I think that the target numbers for Senior Certification (skill-3) probably need to be lowered from 10 to 8 and from 8 to 6 to give closer to a 70% pass rate for skill-3 characters.

But that is just an opinion.
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