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Old April 26th, 2021, 06:06 AM
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It leaves us with a lot of dead Aslan.
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MongoVerse assumption is more sentient intuition as to the correct course of action, or just course, of course, to avoid going off course.

Coarsely speaking.
The first paragraph does imply that there is still something about organic intuition that machine intelligence cannot match when it comes to navigating jump space, but the second paragraph is very clear that the situation is far worse if there isn't at least somebody -- anybody -- around and alert to what is going on. Even if the entire bridge is vacant and being run on automated systems, and the only person awake on the ship is some guy sitting alone in the ship's brig with a strong cup of coffee, that's enough to prevent an additional -4 DM to the jump success from happening.
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Unlikely, as there is at least one race (Hivers) who have managed to master jump travel despite virtually no aptitude for psionics.

I think, perhaps, it has something to do with the fact that every instance of jump travel is a concrete example of Schodinger's Box in action, and as such it needs a literal observer to complete its function. Without some qualified observer of the phenomenon, the contents of the 'box' (in this case a starship) cannot either collapse into a single defined state (under Copenhagen interpretation) or manifest into its multiple possibilities (under the Many Worlds interpretation). The end result, from the outside universe's point of view, is that the jump fails somehow, quite often catastrophically.

So, what qualifies as an observer? Obviously, humans and other sentient beings do. But how low does it go? Do dogs, cats and lizards qualify? Ants and cockroaches? Divorce attorneys and social media influencers?

Nobody has ever figured that part out for certain, except that standard issue AI's (like robots and ship's computer systems) don't count, as well as most incarnations of the mysterious Essaray. Tech derived from naturally evolved silicon life (Virus) seems to work, although that is small comfort to the rest of us in Charted Space.
At least from a "setting chrome" perspective, it's probably significant that what is seen by a sophont looking directly at jumpspace is affected by the presence of another observer viewing it at the same time (this from the novel).

Jumpspace wants an audience.

A sophisticated audience that can understand the finer points of the performance -- and that takes Navigation skill. The uncultured groundlings in the yard in front of the stage (passengers and other crew) sometimes aren't enough. And Jumpspace hates playing to an empty house...

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At least from a "setting chrome" perspective, it's probably significant that what is seen by a sophont looking directly at jumpspace is affected by the presence of another observer viewing it at the same time (this from the novel).

Jumpspace wants an audience.
Which is the inverse of the Cordwainer Smith "Instrumentality of Man" universe, in which hyperspace actively tries to kill sophonts, in one way or another (except for space3, but you don't want to go back there again anyhow).
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Which is the inverse of the Cordwainer Smith "Instrumentality of Man" universe, in which hyperspace actively tries to kill sophonts, in one way or another (except for space3, but you don't want to go back there again anyhow).
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Excellent. I was thinking more along the lines of Scanners Live in Vain. (Instead of deadly hyperspace entities, something intrinsic to space is lethal.)
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The ingame explanation for astrogation might be some random variable that the machine intelligence can't recognize.

But wake sentience smacks of the Forty Kay warp.
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Excellent. I was thinking more along the lines of Scanners Live in Vain. (Instead of deadly hyperspace entities, something intrinsic to space is lethal.)
True... that one had slipped my mind, its been a few years since I read that.
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