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mike wightman August 19th, 2005 05:55 AM

Some initial thoughts.

I think CT+ ship combat should be based on...

the range band system from CT Starter Edition.

Ships are either trying to close distance, open distance, or maintain distance, with evasive maneouvers possible in all three cases.

To which I would add rules so that everyone on board a ship with relevant skills gets to use them - maintaining player interest.

Sensors should have a part to play.

Lasers and particle beams for close range, missiles for long range.

Sandcasters and armour for defence.

Damage control parties.

far-trader August 19th, 2005 11:39 AM

As much as the vector system was fun I agree we want to avoid it but is this too simplified? What about a simple hex based and G-rated movement system. Something table top playable. The basic range system is (to me) too boring and lacking of what space combat should be somehow.

I'd take a stab at it if I had some time. What about adapting Brilliant Lances or something?

flykiller August 19th, 2005 12:54 PM

you'll have to decide whether you want ship combat to be a wargame, or simply an add-on to an rpg.

if you really must have a wargame then why not mayday?

if it's an rpg add-on then perhaps the best approach is freeform informed by some basic rules.

jappel August 19th, 2005 01:02 PM

I'd take a cue from whichever game it is (and there are probably several) that include both a "realistic" and "cinematic" combat system - include a simplified system as Sigg suggests as well as a more detailed, miniatures-friendly version (ooh, an opportunity to hawk the forthcoming ship minis!). The two don't even necessarily have to yield identical or even really close results, though you don't want too much divergence.

Hey, we're in blue sky, wish-list mode at the moment, so why not? ;)

- John

jappel August 19th, 2005 01:04 PM

BTW, Sigg, your small-ship ideas from a couple of years ago need to be included - the heavy turrets, etc. They really allowed for differentiation between military and non-military ships at the small scale under essentially Book 2 rules. Those have to be the single best enhancement to Traveller starship rules since High Guard, IMHO.

- John

mike wightman August 19th, 2005 01:12 PM

I'd keep the wargame as a separate add on.

For the basic game you need a quick way to resolve the sorts of situations that a role playing group will find themselves in.

Hence the suggestion of basing it on CT Starter, although MT is pretty similar to this idea as well.

A sheet of file paper is all you need to track relative movement and range, the drama comes from getting all the players involved.

far-trader August 19th, 2005 01:13 PM

Well I still think "The Role-Playing Space Combat System"* put out as a free pdf for T4 was a great way to go. Unfortunately I can't seem to find current sources for it as a download. Maybe my google-fu is weak, no time to try harder at the moment [img]smile.gif[/img]

Maybe I'll have time later to look at my copy and propose an abbreviated version for this.

* Copyright 1996 by Joseph E. Walsh. Collaboration by Eris Reddoch, Guy "Wildstar" Garnett (who did the great QSDS), and Allen Shock.

mike wightman August 19th, 2005 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jappel:
BTW, Sigg, your small-ship ideas from a couple of years ago need to be included - the heavy turrets, etc. They really allowed for differentiation between military and non-military ships at the small scale under essentially Book 2 rules. Those have to be the single best enhancement to Traveller starship rules since High Guard, IMHO.

- John

Thanks [img]smile.gif[/img]

I would like to include a greater range of turret/barbette options, and armour is a must.

But I'd like it as simple as possible...

mike wightman August 19th, 2005 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by far-trader:
Well I still think "The Role-Playing Space Combat System"* put out as a free pdf for T4 was a great way to go. Unfortunately I can't seem to find current sources for it as a download. Maybe my google-fu is weak, no time to try harder at the moment [img]smile.gif[/img]

Maybe I'll have time later to look at my copy and propose an abbreviated version for this.

* Copyright 1996 by Joseph E. Walsh. Collaboration by Eris Reddoch, Guy "Wildstar" Garnett (who did the great QSDS), and Allen Shock.

It's in the BITS archives here.

25 pages long and too complicated for basic CT+ methinks ;)

flykiller August 19th, 2005 01:43 PM

is there any reason this couldn't be a computer program?


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