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Old October 3rd, 2017, 03:08 PM
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The shipping regime is closer to that of the 17th C trade - where the shipper bought and sold the goods.

SPeculative trade is a very different beast from demand trade, at least from the standpoint of pre-rapid communication comparisons. It's MUCH riskier.

16th, 17th, and 18th C trade shows a very high rate of shipper-owned goods auctioned quayside. late 19th on, almost none of that. Difference? Transoceanic telegraphs.
So in a setting where getting anywhere takes a full week, where a return trip is going to be closer to two weeks, and where there is no communication faster than the fastest ship (maybe augmented by comms to vessels about to jump out beyond the limit and then transmitting just after jumping into a system), the earlier trade model you mentioned is going to be more likely than the latter.

Does anyone know if the cost of a vessel in comparison to prices that would've been paid for cargoes was, in the 16-18C, proportionally similar to that in the 3I? How viable is the mortgage period for a Beowulf or Empress Marava in comparison to back then? I like to imagine that with advanced financial services, stock and product production and consumption tracking and analysis systems, and at least the same amount of canny married to superior education that the Traveller free trader concept is at least reasonably feasible.
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So in a setting where getting anywhere takes a full week, where a return trip is going to be closer to two weeks, and where there is no communication faster than the fastest ship (maybe augmented by comms to vessels about to jump out beyond the limit and then transmitting just after jumping into a system), the earlier trade model you mentioned is going to be more likely than the latter.

Does anyone know if the cost of a vessel in comparison to prices that would've been paid for cargoes was, in the 16-18C, proportionally similar to that in the 3I? How viable is the mortgage period for a Beowulf or Empress Marava in comparison to back then? I like to imagine that with advanced financial services, stock and product production and consumption tracking and analysis systems, and at least the same amount of canny married to superior education that the Traveller free trader concept is at least reasonably feasible.
Let's see... keep in mind, prior to about 1870, the UKP and US dollar both pegged to the same metals in a pretty strict Shillings to dimes rate... 1=$2
Train & co passages on a packet
1C: 5 ($10)
2C: 4 10/6 ($9.03)
3C: 4 ($8)
Steer: 3 10/- ($7)

Build price for packets and schooners running around $55 (27 10/) per GRT and be between 300 and 22,000 GRT, tho typically, not more than 2000 GRT, and thus $110 K (55 K).

A cargo of unlawful slaves might be worth $8000 for 15 slaves (as evidenced by sale of seized slaves at auction).
Cotton was about 175 per short ton in 1876, and inflation not much to then...

Labor ashore was paid an average between $0.50 and $2.00...


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https://www.archives.gov/education/l...ave-trade.html
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http://answers.google.com/answers/th.../id/33770.html
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Let's see... keep in mind, prior to about 1870, the UKP and US dollar both pegged to the same metals in a pretty strict Shillings to dimes rate... 1=$2
Train & co passages on a packet
1C: 5 ($10)
2C: 4 10/6 ($9.03)
3C: 4 ($8)
Steer: 3 10/- ($7)

Build price for packets and schooners running around $55 (27 10/) per GRT and be between 300 and 22,000 GRT, tho typically, not more than 2000 GRT, and thus $110 K (55 K).

A cargo of unlawful slaves might be worth $8000 for 15 slaves (as evidenced by sale of seized slaves at auction).
Cotton was about 175 per short ton in 1876, and inflation not much to then...

Labor ashore was paid an average between $0.50 and $2.00...
Per Garnet Wolseley's Soldier's Pocket Book for 1871, one US Dollar was worth 4 Shillings 1.25 Pence, or 49.25 pence, which at 240 Pence per the Pound Sterling meant that the British Pound was worth $4.87 cents.

Per Willam Howard Russell's My Diary North and South, covering the period in the South immediately after succession, a prime field hand was sold at auction for $1000, and that was viewed as "cheap".

The following comes from the US Census Report on the Shipbuilding Industry of the US for 1884.

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A ship of 2,000 tons register, built in Maine, will cost close upon $100,000, carry from 3,000 to 3,200 gross tons of freight, and sail at an average rate of speed of 6 miles per hour, which can be increased to 8 miles by sharpening the bow of the vessel. . . . .

First class oak and pine vessels are built in America at the present time for from $45 to $50 per register ton; in Glasgow the cost for iron sailing vessels is $60 per register ton. The difference in cost on a vessel of 2,000 tons is from $20,000 to $30,000 in favor of the oak and pine vessel, and when the fir of Puget sound is thoroughly utilized this difference will be more marked.
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The rate per ton per mile decreased from 1.92 cents in 1867 to 0.73 of a cent in 1900. [Edit Note: This was the freight cost of shipping by railroad.]
The above from Outline of the development of the internal commerce of the United States 1789-1900, which can be found on Project Gutenberg.
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