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Old September 23rd, 2017, 07:14 AM
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How big is the trade volume between the Aslan Hierate and the 3I?

I try to get a picture of how many ships pass through the Borderlands subsector.
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How big is the trade volume between the Aslan Hierate and the 3I?

I try to get a picture of how many ships pass through the Borderlands subsector.
I guess the question is what does one group have that the other wants. As different species. a lot of equipment is not going to transfer readily, unless custom-made, and I do not see Aslan custom-making things for humans. I do suspect that there is a good trade in meat going to the Aslan from the Imperium, but it is hard to say what might flow in the other direction. Raw materials maybe, but again, the Aslan as described do not seem to me to be the type to do a lot of trading.
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How big is the trade volume between the Aslan Hierate and the 3I?

I try to get a picture of how many ships pass through the Borderlands subsector.
I would start with the trade map:

http://wiki.travellerrpg.com/images/...ach_Sector.pdf

From this you can see there is a main (BTN 11) route going from New Moscow (in the Imperium) to Tyokh (in the Hierate).

There is another route from Pryme (in the Imperium) to Akhwohkyal (in the Hierate), which is a BTN 10 route.

Based upon the general rules, there is about 1.1 million Dtons per week along these two routes. So a number of major freighters, and a larger group of liners and smaller traders.

If you want more exact number, let me know and I'll read through the economic data output and get you some better numbers.
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I would start with the trade map:

http://wiki.travellerrpg.com/images/...ach_Sector.pdf

From this you can see there is a main (BTN 11) route going from New Moscow (in the Imperium) to Tyokh (in the Hierate).

There is another route from Pryme (in the Imperium) to Akhwohkyal (in the Hierate), which is a BTN 10 route.

Based upon the general rules, there is about 1.1 million Dtons per week along these two routes. So a number of major freighters, and a larger group of liners and smaller traders.

If you want more exact number, let me know and I'll read through the economic data output and get you some better numbers.
If I may ask, what general rules, and do the rules say what this massive amount of cargo consists off? What does the Imperium have that the Aslan want so badly, and what does the Aslan have that the Imperium wants so badly?
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The general rules make no assumption about the nature of the goods being traded. This is the contradiction of trade in Traveller. Most systems, especially the high population worlds, should be self-sufficient.

For a real world example what does Australia trade with Scotland? Mostly it’s boring things like raw material (e.g. wool), sources of raw materials (e.g. sheep), or small scale manufactured items specific to the source (e.g. haggis).

The Aslan worlds in the Trojan Reaches are mostly colonies. They have an ongoing need for tools, parts, building supplies, and consumer goods. And while they may prefer to have Aslan designed tools, the closer manufacturing base of the Imperial worlds means theirs are cheaper. Not to say the tools and such are not manufactured to Aslan designs and standards.
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Again, where are these "General Rules" located? What book or version?
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I am fairly certain they are talking about GURPS: Far Trader. It posits a very busy Traveller universe with a lot of traffic based on various factors.

I don't recall if it takes into consideration trade outside the Imperium - I seem to recall the model was only for intra-Imperial traffic.
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I am fairly certain they are talking about GURPS: Far Trader. It posits a very busy Traveller universe with a lot of traffic based on various factors.

I don't recall if it takes into consideration trade outside the Imperium - I seem to recall the model was only for intra-Imperial traffic.
Essentially, it reduces trade half an order across any border.
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GURPS Traveller: Far Trader, p 10 to 18. This is the rules used to generate the trade routes. I recommend the sidebars on the same pages for more detail.

Sidebars on p20,21 has the description of the gravity trade model used as the basis for the rules.

Sidebars on p38-40 have a listing of examples of good to go with the speculative trade system
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GT Far Trader only works if you buy into its underlying assumptions - stuff the authors made up. If you don't agree with their underlying assumptions then GT Far Trader is not much use for the OTU.

There is probably a way of generating RUs in T4/T5 that may give a more OTU model of trade volumes.

Failing that I would just make up the levels of trade you need there to be for the scenario or campaign you have in mind.
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