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Old April 9th, 2017, 01:40 PM
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http://wiki.travellerrpg.com/Battle_of_Two_Suns

Yres is in hex 1802, no 0202.
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Does is depend on whether you are looking at a sector map or a sub-sector map?
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It's not an error.

It is a result of MWM not recalling every early Traveller supplement and providing us with the latest version

Look at the original S:3 and A:1 you will see that the subsector format was different back then - every subsector was numbered 0101-0810, there was no sector format.
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I guess, but the wiki references the online map in the window on the right side of the entry.
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Ahhh... the Wiki... destroying Traveller one entry at a time...

You read that that entry and all you found wrong was the hex number, Blue?

The Wiki gremlins apparently stol... ahem... "borrowed" an idea from this thread and then proceeded to implement it in their usual inimitable fashion. Take this sentence for example:

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Part of the imperial task force detached from 34th Fleet sent from the Dusa Subsector of the Vland Sector fleet command.
A task force from the Vland Sector was fighting in the Marches? We know the war began, was fought, and was over before any instructions regarding it's conduct could be received from Capital. Our Absent Friend Hans once calculated that period out to be roughly 16 months.

Yes, despite that, a task force from Vland still had enough time to receive orders, redeploy to the Marches, and fight in the Battle of Two Suns? Sure, pull the other one.

The Dusa subsector is subsector M of the Vland sector. That's the lower left corner. It's tucked in on the other side of the Great Rift and it's nearly empty. It contains maybe six systems and the only navy base is at Pirrom bordering Dagudashaag.

A jump4 course between Pirrom and Regina is 111 parsecs long and takes 28 jumps.

Defending the six systems of the Dusa subsector is apparently a high priority because the 34th Fleet has enough ships on hand to sent a task force consisting of two Plankwell dreadnoughts, two heavy cruisers, eight P.F. Sloan fleet escorts, and - best of all - four Nolikian-class battle riders.

Mind you, the 34th didn't detach a Lurenti-class battle carrier or any other battle carrier to lift those four riders those 111+ parsecs nor apparently was any battle carrier and it's organic fighter wing present at the battle despite the fact SMC explicitly places the 214th Battle Rider Squadron there.

Instead the non-jump capable Nolikians magically flew more than 111 parsecs from their base in Pirrom to fight in deep space between Menorb and Yres.

That's our Wiki for you!

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.... never let facts get in the way of a good story

Seriously, this is truly the only Traveller site I ever come to, so for me this place and it's various links (other than the various books I've bought over the years) are my one-stop-shop for everything Traveller.

As a result, all the quirts you've found, to me, are unmitigated Traveller dogma. Anyway, I was just referencing it for my latest Adventure Seed blog entry-- "The Guns of Navarrone" . Oh well.

You know ... sometimes I wish it was 1982 or 1984 all over again, when I could actually find players, and temporal rifts in write ups weren't such a big deal.
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.... never let facts get in the way of a good story

Seriously, this is truly the only Traveller site I ever come to, so for me this place and it's various links (other than the various books I've bought over the years) are my one-stop-shop for everything Traveller.

As a result, all the quirts you've found, to me, are unmitigated Traveller dogma. Anyway, I was just referencing it for my latest Adventure Seed blog entry-- "The Guns of Navarrone" . Oh well.

You know ... sometimes I wish it was 1982 or 1984 all over again, when I could actually find players, and temporal rifts in write ups weren't such a big deal.
Mistakes get made at the wiki and with so many different authors and sources, it's impossible to reconcile the myriad sources when they are conflicting. When you add retcons in, and fan material, the heady brew gets even headier... Plus canon doesn't practically exist for many items since an original citation often gets later removed by ex cathedra statements or later canon.

Plus, some fans will simply never be pleased pretty much no matter what is there. But many to most can be pleased. It's not for everyone.

I personally challenge WhipSnade to create a better wiki. I'd love to see what he could come up with. It would be a lot more productive than the naysaying. Kvetching is cheap.

Still, the vast majority of fans and authors including Marc Miller use the wiki as a starting source for much Traveller research... which is what is was designed to do. Be a starting point. Not to be perfect.

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And as a wiki, it's under a continual state of improvement. Perhaps that improvement is non-linear, but it gets better over time as inconsistencies are removed and problems ironed out. As it is used.

That's the idea, anyway. I'm sure Whipsnade could be permitted to correct that entry, right? Bad facts bother me too.
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And as a wiki, it's under a continual state of improvement. Perhaps that improvement is non-linear, but it gets better over time as inconsistencies are removed and problems ironed out. As it is used.
Yes. If it is wrong, fix it or modify it to make it clearer. And make sure you cite your sources in a reference section at the bottom of the page.

Also, when editing individual lines/sentences within a given entry, the following can be placed at the end of a sentence:

{{Page cite|name= |page= |citeName= }},

which will place a superscript number at the end of the sentence and create a corresponding footnote in the references section with the exact book and page reference for a given citation. Non-Canon entries can simply insert the word "(Non-canon)" after the name or after a page number, if it is a reference to a non-canonical work, and the word "(Non-canon)" will appear in the footnote.
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And as a wiki, it's under a continual state of improvement. Perhaps that improvement is non-linear, but it gets better over time as inconsistencies are removed and problems ironed out. As it is used.

That's the idea, anyway. I'm sure Whipsnade could be permitted to correct that entry, right? Bad facts bother me too.
I'm tempted to geek out on this ... but will refrain. This is a game with semi-serious "let's get it right" overtones, wargamers and RPGers being the kind of people that we are, so I'm surprised that liberties would be taken. However I'm not bothered by it, because the real deal is printed in books and now burned on official "canon" CDs.

If it's a big deal for people, then maybe the Traveller wiki can include additions to entries , maybe something called "official derivations" or "ATUs" ... something where fans can include their interpretations to share with other fans.

I remember my ten shot battery pack for the Laser pistol in Mission on Mithril. It's not canon, but I've brought it up here, and it might be fun for other or newer players to read about on the wiki with some kind of "Fan Entry".

Just my take.
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