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Old July 27th, 2016, 07:14 PM
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Well said

again nobby-w, and to everone else, what is the manual of style? I have an interest in writing articles which ARE CANON before and after 1105-1116. I intend to hone my admittedly poor writing skills for TAS and/or Galaxiad. It is simply because I would like do them. I don't want what I write about deleted, else why do it. Some things written WILL crossover into and out of "The Golden Age" time period.
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Old July 27th, 2016, 08:27 PM
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The obsession with Canon in Traveller fandom is unhealthy, and writing documents to attempt to codify it in some way simply encourages arguments about its minutae, which do little to advance the start of the art. Really, a canon guide would largely be used as a reference guide for folks getting involved in flame wars. In practice, I think that if such a thing were written it would be little but an attractive nuisance.
It's not unique to Traveller.

It's happened with...
  • Star Trek fandom
  • Star Wars fandom
  • Battlestar Galactica (OS) fandom
  • Battlestar Galactica (NS) fandom
  • Space 1999 fandom

All to varying degrees, but still.
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It's worth thinking about what you want the Traveller Wiki to be.
  • Do you want it to be a reference site as to what is Canon? .
  • Do you want it to be a site where fan-made material can be put up?
Neither of these is entirely correct. As originally envisioned the wiki was supposed to be an aide for players (and referees). A publication of Library data for use in your Traveller games. As such there are several secondary items that come out of this:

The wiki serves as a canon reference, but not a canon source. The current publishers don't want their canon text in the wiki. We continue to improve the references for articles.

The wiki collects some of the Fan produced material. It wasn't going to be a primary source for this. And not every fan writer wanted their material in the wiki. But, like the canon the wiki was going to be a reference to the numerous fan sourced material for Traveller.

There is a Ludography/Bibliography of the Traveller publications, both canon and not. Another reference for Players and Referees.

So the wiki was and is targeting the Traveller players. People looking for interesting details and background for their games. I really hope that is a much larger group than the Traveller writers.
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It's not unique to Traveller.

It's happened with...
  • Star Trek fandom
  • Star Wars fandom
  • Battlestar Galactica (OS) fandom
  • Battlestar Galactica (NS) fandom
  • Space 1999 fandom

All to varying degrees, but still.
Absolutely, and you can see it in plenty of other media franchises various other RPG franchises such as D&D.

It's still unhealthy and I don't think it should be encouraged.
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Old July 28th, 2016, 03:54 PM
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Absolutely, and you can see it in plenty of other media franchises various other RPG franchises such as D&D.

It's still unhealthy and I don't think it should be encouraged.
D&D has had it for the Forgotten Realms and for Krynn for YEARS. Simply put, sales figures say "Fan Canon Obsession sells books."

In fact, it's the surests sign of an invested player base. Lines that didn't have that kind of fan angst over canon aren't the ones that stick around.

It's happening with Star Wars (#3 overall sales winter 2015), Golarian (Pathfinder RPG, #2 on the sales), starting to happen with Dragon Age (#4 on the sales chart)...

Fantasy Age is likely to be a bit of a splash-in-the-pan, unless Wil Wheaton's setting gets more canon books out for it...
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is multiple cannons a sign of an invested publisher base?
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Old July 29th, 2016, 12:45 AM
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is multiple cannons a sign of an invested publisher base?
You should ask that of Gypsy Comet and DMcCoy...
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is multiple cannons a sign of an invested publisher base?
Surely. Now we just need the fan base to expand... We're a lot of old farts and not so much fresh blood...

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The Traveller fanbase is expanding Maksim. They just do not post here. They post over at the Mongoose forums. They also have a different view on canon.

As an observation from a recent thread there called "Canon Timeline?"

The OP asked if the wiki's timeline was canon. I explained relative time periods of ALL the different product lines, the difference between OTU and ATU and the general reason why we oldsters cannot agree to a single canon outside of "canon is for writers".

What I got out of the thread is that younger/newer players WANT an advancing/progressing Canon timeline and are reluctant to buy more products unless there is one.
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