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Old January 21st, 2010, 11:21 PM
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Looking at the costs per ton, again, Basic Boxes, all designed with CT Bk5. All carry one single turret, no weapon installed. All using standard financing.

Findings (WIDE table:


Jn/Pn _ J1 TL9 __ J1 TL13 _ J1 TL15 ___ J2 TL11 ___ J2 TL13 ___ J2 TL15 ___ J3 TL12 ___ J3 TL13 ___ J3 TL15 ___ J4 TL13 ___ J4 TL15 __ J5 TL14 ___ J5 TL15 ___ J6 TL15 ___ Jn/Pn
200 _____ 988 _____ 880 _____ 775 _____ 2,068 _____ 1,753 _____ 1,460 _____ 4,138 _____ 3,329 _____ 2,636 _____ 6,901 _____ 5,038 ____ 26,629 ____ 11,976 ____ 210,376 ___ 200
400 _____ 892 _____ 793 _____ 697 _____ 1,814 _____ 1,533 _____ 1,237 _____ 3,407 _____ 2,740 _____ 2,158 _____ 5,157 _____ 3,790 ____ 13,010 _____ 7,610 _____ 25,921 ___ 400
600 _____ 850 _____ 755 _____ 650 _____ 1,656 _____ 1,396 _____ 1,153 _____ 3,083 _____ 2,479 _____ 1,912 _____ 4,485 _____ 3,234 _____ 9,977 _____ 6,220 _____ 16,535 ___ 600
800 _____ 845 _____ 752 _____ 661 _____ 1,603 _____ 1,350 _____ 1,099 _____ 2,937 _____ 2,329 _____ 1,827 _____ 4,195 _____ 3,043 _____ 8,863 _____ 5,531 _____ 13,798 ___ 800
1000 ____ 814 _____ 723 _____ 634 _____ 1,543 _____ 1,285 _____ 1,057 _____ 2,763 _____ 2,221 _____ 1,721 _____ 3,875 _____ 2,863 _____ 7,639 _____ 5,082 _____ 11,372 ___ 1000
1200 ____ 854 _____ 760 _____ 669 _____ 1,612 _____ 1,358 _____ 1,111 _____ 2,852 _____ 2,287 _____ 1,787 _____ 4,029 _____ 2,959 _____ 8,296 _____ 5,340 _____ 12,619 ___ 1200
1400 ____ 844 _____ 751 _____ 660 _____ 1,594 _____ 1,342 _____ 1,098 _____ 2,843 _____ 2,261 _____ 1,765 _____ 4,007 _____ 2,913 _____ 8,090 _____ 5,227 _____ 12,466 ___ 1400
1600 ____ 837 _____ 740 _____ 650 _____ 1,573 _____ 1,324 _____ 1,089 _____ 2,800 _____ 2,229 _____ 1,739 _____ 3,927 _____ 2,859 _____ 7,842 _____ 5,147 _____ 11,865 ___ 1600
1800 ____ 831 _____ 739 _____ 645 _____ 1,564 _____ 1,315 _____ 1,082 _____ 2,782 _____ 2,229 _____ 1,728 _____ 3,892 _____ 2,835 _____ 7,830 _____ 5,083 _____ 11,625 ___ 1800
2000 ____ 823 _____ 731 _____ 638 _____ 1,558 _____ 1,303 _____ 1,071 _____ 2,754 _____ 2,206 _____ 1,711 _____ 3,841 _____ 2,818 _____ 7,665 _____ 4,992 _____ 11,267 ___ 2000

Max _____ 988 _____ 880 _____ 775 _____ 2,068 _____ 1,753 _____ 1,460 _____ 4,138 _____ 3,329 _____ 2,636 _____ 6,901 _____ 5,038 ____ 26,629 ____ 11,976 ____ 210,376 ___ Max
Mean ____ 857.8 ___ 762.4 ___ 667.9 ___ 1,658.5 ___ 1,395.9 ___ 1,145.7 ___ 3,035.9 ___ 2,431 _____ 1,898.4 ___ 4,430.9 ___ 3,235.2 __ 10,584.1 ___ 6,220.8 ___ 33,784.4 _ Mean
Median __ 844.5 ___ 751.5 ___ 655 _____ 1,598.5 ___ 1,346 _____ 1,098.5 ___ 2,847.5 ___ 2,274 _____ 1,776 _____ 4,018 _____ 2,936 _____ 8,193 _____ 5,283.5 ___ 12,542.5 _ Median
Min _____ 814 _____ 723 _____ 634 _____ 1,543 _____ 1,285 _____ 1,057 _____ 2,754 _____ 2,206 _____ 1,711 _____ 3,841 _____ 2,818 _____ 7,639 _____ 4,992 _____ 11,267 ___ Min

Std Dev _ 50.4 _____ 45.5 ____ 41.7 _____ 163.6 _____ 143.5 _____ 121.8 _____ 435.8 _____ 356 _____ 292.1 _____ 956.3 _____ 698.3 _____ 5,872.8 _____ 2,174.2 _ 62,206.4 _ Std Dev

Basal __ 895 ______ 797 _____ 697 _____ 1,762 _____ 1,490 _____ 1,220 _____ 3,283 _____ 2,630 _____ 2,068 _____ 4,974 _____ 3,634 ____ 14,066 _____ 7,458 _____ 74,749 ___ Basal


The Cr1000/ton for this is pretty close to the costs for low-end.

These are the same tonnage breakpoints I used for looking at MGT; note the multiple columns for all but J6, by TL. TL13 and 15 are PP breakpoints.
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The Cargo Tonnage Equivalent costs for passages are also somewhat less, due to stewards handling more passengers, and only HP; Medical share is tiny, but present, too.

Here's the worksheet:

Item _______ MPSO ______ MPDO ______ HPSO ______ HPDO ___ Unit
SR CTE _____ 4.000 _____ 2.000 _____ 4.000 _____ 2.000 __ CTE
Baggage ____ 0.000 _____ 0.000 _____ 1.000 _____ 1.000 __ CTd
Stwd SR ____ 0.000 _____ 0.000 _____ 0.500 _____ 0.500 __ CTE
Medic SR ___ 0.033 _____ 0.033 _____ 0.033 _____ 0.033 __ CTE
LS, Pass ___ 2.000 _____ 2.000 _____ 2.000 _____ 2.000 __ KCr
LS, Stwd ___ 0.000 _____ 0.000 _____ 0.250 _____ 0.250 __ KCr
LS, Medic __ 0.017 _____ 0.017 _____ 0.017 _____ 0.017 __ KCr
MP, SR _____ 1.042 _____ 0.521 _____ 1.042 _____ 0.521 __ KCr
Maint, SR __ 0.021 _____ 0.011 _____ 0.021 _____ 0.011 __ KCr
Totals
CTE ________ 4.033 _____ 2.033 _____ 5.533 _____ 3.533 __ CTE
KCr Flat ___ 3.080 _____ 2.549 _____ 3.330 _____ 2.799 __ KCr



Jump _______ 1 ______ 1 ______ 1 ______ 2 ______ 2 ______ 2 ______ 3 ______ 3 ______ 3 ______ 4 ______ 4 _______ 5 ______ 5 _______ 6
TL _________ 9 ______ 9 ______ 9 _____ 11 _____ 13 _____ 15 _____ 12 _____ 13 _____ 15 _____ 13 _____ 15 ______ 14 _____ 15 ______ 15
Basal ____ 895 ____ 797 ____ 697 __ 1,762 __ 1,490 __ 1,220 __ 3,283 __ 2,630 __ 2,068 __ 4,974 __ 3,634 __ 14,066 __ 7,458 __ 46,327
MP SO __ 6,690 __ 6,295 __ 5,892 _ 10,187 __ 9,090 __ 8,001 _ 16,321 _ 13,687 _ 11,421 _ 23,141 _ 17,736 __ 59,809 _ 33,159 _ 189,917
MP DO __ 4,369 __ 4,170 __ 3,967 __ 6,132 __ 5,579 __ 5,030 __ 9,224 __ 7,896 __ 6,754 _ 12,662 __ 9,937 __ 31,146 _ 17,712 __ 96,732
HP SO __ 8,283 __ 7,740 __ 7,187 _ 13,080 _ 11,575 _ 10,081 _ 21,495 _ 17,882 _ 14,773 _ 30,852 _ 23,437 __ 81,158 _ 44,596 _ 259,658
HP DO __ 5,962 __ 5,615 __ 5,262 __ 9,025 __ 8,064 __ 7,110 _ 14,398 _ 12,091 _ 10,106 _ 20,373 _ 15,638 __ 52,495 _ 29,149 _ 166,473


I've changed basal.
It's lowest of:
__ Min+2*StDev
__ Mean+StDev
__ Median+StDev
__ Mean+Median

A taller sample (bigger ships) should reduce the StDev of J6.
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I'm curious about this Aramis, but I've always found that costing these things out like you've done exceeds my boredom threshold. Have you (or anyone else) worked any similar tables to see if converting the book prices to 'per parsec' fixes the problem, or opens up a new can of worms?
that's easy; it's both valid (for J1-2), iffy for 3, and not valid for J4+. Here's a table where I've bolded the good ones.

Jump _______ 1 ______ 1 ______ 1 ______ 2 ______ 2 ______ 2 ______ 3 ______ 3 ______ 3 ______ 4 ______ 4 _______ 5 ______ 5 _______ 6
TL _________ 9 ______ 9 ______ 9 _____ 11 _____ 13 _____ 15 _____ 12 _____ 13 _____ 15 _____ 13 _____ 15 ______ 14 _____ 15 ______ 15
Basal ____ 895 ____ 797 ____ 697 __ 1,762 __ 1,490 __ 1,220 __ 3,283 __ 2,630 __ 2,068 __ 4,974 __ 3,634 __ 14,066 __ 7,458 __ 46,327
MP SO __ 6,690 __ 6,295 __ 5,892 _ 10,187 __ 9,090 __ 8,001 _ 16,321 _ 13,687 _ 11,421 _ 23,141 _ 17,736 __ 59,809 _ 33,159 _ 189,917
HP SO __ 8,283 __ 7,740 __ 7,187 _ 13,080 _ 11,575 _ 10,081 _ 21,495 _ 17,882 _ 14,773 _ 30,852 _ 23,437 __ 81,158 _ 44,596 _ 259,658


The green entries are below book x parsecs. The problem is that the J2 and J3 numbers are so far different that the price WILL have to drop closer to cost. Cargo: To wit J1 cargo is between 105 and 303 credits of profit AT BOOK RATE. Using it per parsec, however, the margin for J2 is 248 to 780 Cr below 2x book rate. J3 is from 283 over (TL12) to 832 under (TL15) bk x 3 J4 is 974 over to 366 under Bk x4 J5 is 9066 to 2458 over. J6 is 16K over.

Note that the costs DO NOT INCREASE LINEARLY; under NO traveller edition is the cost of J2 going to be 2x that of J1. Nor is the cost per ton linear for a given jump over a range of sizes; every system has fixed overhead systems, which reduces in percentage as the ship climbs in size. Some systems are more profound than others; Bk2 has lower costs for the ship, and thus the payment contributes less, as does maintenance, to the costs per ton of cargo.
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I wonder if T5's design team have done this sort of stuff?
I doubt it highly; not many of us are wonky enough to enjoy DOING it, tho many more are interested in the results. The spreadsheet was about 6 hours of work; the sheet can be extended upwards, as it's extremely formulaic. (Heck, you could easily use it for other simple HG designs in parallel; it doesn't have weapons, not turret cost calcs, nor a bunch of other stuff that block merchants don't need.) (Formatting the tables for posting was about 30 min more.) The numbers in Mega, TNE, and T4 are bloody hard to work out, BTW, and are recursive to figure, which spreadsheets dislike....

Also, my choices on what constitutes basal pricing for the market are high-end of average costs; some ships can't make money at those, most will, and low cost ships will make lots. Me, I find it interesting to do this stuff, IF the system is simple enough to spreadsheet like I've done for MGT basic and for CT HG. Oh, and I forgot to mention, but it's noted in the sheet: all the ships are flattened spheres for minimum cost streamlined hulls.

Also, as a side note: the breakpoints in HG result in massive cost drops; anyone who can afford a TL13 PP is going to recoup far more on their investment in even a J1 merchant. People who just "Oh, just multiply by parsec" really don't understand the nature of ship design. Any such rule of thumb only works for a narrow range. Also, almost half the cost of a HP is a fixed cost with no relation to distance by jump: the Maint cost; fraction of payment; life support costs; fraction of steward and medic's LS, salaries, Stateroom fractions of maintenance and monthly payment. Essentially, these are unit-time costs. Only the space costs (counting the payload space lost from cargo by installing staterooms (including the medic and steward staterooms), plus HP baggage climb in cost with distance travelled in one jump.

Given the costs, even at lowest, I don't think there will be any scheduled J6 shipping; a 7:1 cost increase for 1/2 the time taken (vs 2x J3) means a J3 ship can beat the price, undercut it by a large margin, and still charge more than cost.
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Op Cost Per Ton Per Jump
________ Tonnage ________ J1 ________ J2 ________ J3 ________ J4 ________ J5 ________ J6
_________ 100.00 ___ 1,745.2 ____ 4634.5 _______ --- _______ --- _______ --- __________
_________ 200.00 _____ 778.2 ____ 1686.5 ____ 4901.7 _______ --- _______ --- __________
_________ 400.00 _____ 713.5 ____ 1332.6 ____ 2270.5 ____ 5655.7 ___ 45961.3 __________
_________ 600.00 _____ 656.0 ____ 1187.7 ____ 2232.1 ____ 4475.1 ___ 14593.8 __________
_________ 800.00 _____ 641.5 ______ 1142 ____ 2071.8 ____ 4056.9 ___ 10829.7 __________
_______ 1,000.00 _____ 672.0 ____ 1178.2 ____ 2099.4 ____ 4041.2 ____ 9751.4 ___ 37189.3
_______ 2,000.00 _____ 623.3 ____ 1109.4 ____ 1548.9 ______ 2190 ____ 3351.9 ____ 5814.1
_______ 3,000.00 _____ 643.9 _____ 950.8 ____ 1296.9 ____ 1757.6 _______ --- __________
_______ 4,000.00 _____ 640.2 _____ 858.7 ____ 1142.4 _______ --- _______ --- __________
_______ 5,000.00 _____ 595.3 _______ 794 _______ --- _______ --- _______ --- __________
____________ --- _______ --- _______ --- _______ --- _______ --- _______ --- __________
________ Average ____ 770.90 __ 1,487.50 __ 2,195.50 __ 3,696.10 _ 16,897.60 _ 21,501.70
_________ Median ____ 650.00 __ 1,160.10 __ 2,085.60 __ 4,049.10 _ 10,829.70 _ 21,501.70
____________ Max __ 1,745.20 __ 4,634.50 __ 4,901.70 __ 5,655.70 _ 45,961.30 _ 37,189.30
____________ Min ____ 595.30 ____ 794.20 __ 1,142.40 __ 1,757.60 __ 3,351.90 __ 5,814.10
______ Std. Dev. ____ 346.10 __ 1,134.30 __ 1,176.50 __ 1,464.40 _ 16,743.50 _ 22,185.60
____________ --- _______ --- _______ --- _______ --- _______ --- _______ --- __________
__________ Basal ____ 996.10 __ 2,294.40 __ 3,262.10 __ 4,686.40 _ 27,573.20 _ 43,687.30
____________ --- _______ --- _______ --- _______ --- _______ --- _______ --- __________
_____ Reasonable __ 1,000.00 __ 2,300.00 __ 3,300.00 __ 4,700.00 _ 27,600.00 _ 43,700.00
____________ --- _______ --- _______ --- _______ --- _______ --- _______ --- __________
___________ Avg2 ____ 662.66 __ 1,137.79 __ 1,808.86 __ 3,696.08 __ 9,631.70 __ 5,814.10
________ Median2 ____ 643.90 __ 1,142.00 __ 2,071.80 __ 4,049.05 _ 10,290.55 __ 5,814.10
________ StdDev2 _____ 54.15 ____ 268.07 ____ 468.98 __ 1,464.39 __ 4,672.90 ______ 0.00
____________ --- _______ --- _______ --- _______ --- _______ --- _______ --- __________
_________ basal2 ____ 698.05 __ 1,330.34 __ 2,080.36 __ 4,686.39 _ 12,697.69 __ 5,814.10
___________ +50% __ 1,047.07 __ 1,995.51 __ 3,120.54 __ 7,029.58 _ 19,046.54 __ 8,721.15
____ Reasonable2 ____ 700.00 __ 1,350.00 __ 2,100.00 __ 4,700.00 _ 12,700.00 __ 5,850.00
____ reasonable3 __ 1,050.00 __ 2,000.00 __ 3,150.00 __ 7,050.00 _ 19,050.00 __ 8,750.00

* indicates performance set below maximum possible for drive in order to reduce fuel use

All are minimum crew no weapons, no hardpoints, no space reserved for turrets.

Looking at these numbers, I'll note that a one odd combination is possible that aren't figured, but only by double occupancy crewing...
Namely: 800Td J6 (299817.3 per ton, 4 tons cargo)

All of these are based upon standard financing. Everything rounded to nearest Cr0.1

Normative cost is the lowest of Average+1StDev, Median+1StdDev, or Minimum+2StdDev.

The table looks rather different for 1E due to the (1) lack of matching PP/JD requirement and (2) lack of Comp≥Jn requirement.


Edit: caught an error in the SS, fixed, reran. split
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Drives J/M/P and TL
Tonnage _______J1 ______J2 _____J3 ______J4 ______J5 ______J6
__200 _______AAA*9 ___AAA 9 __--- - ___--- - ___--- - ___--- -
__400 _______AAA 9 ___BAB 9 __CAC 9 ___DAD 9 ___--- - ___--- -
__600 _______CCC 9 ___FCF A __JCJ B ___MCM C ___QCQ D ___--- -
__800 _______DDD 9 ___HDH A __MDM C ___RDR E ___VDV F ___--- -
_1000 _______EEE A ___KEK B __QEQ D ___VEV F ___WEW F ___YEY F
_2000 _______JJJ B ___VJV F __XJX F ___YJY F ___ZJZ*F ___ZJZ F
_3000 _______QQQ D ___XQX F __ZQZ*F ___ZQZ F ___--- - ___--- -
_4000 _______VVV F ___YVY F __ZVZ F ___--- - ___--- - ___--- -
_5000 _______WWW F ___ZWZ F __--- - ___--- - ___--- - ___--- -

Drives table to match the above.
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CT1E Table
________ Tonnage ________ J1 ________ J2 ________ J3 ________ J4 ________ J5 ________ J6
__________ 100.0 ___ 1,745.2 ___ 4,395.5 __ 98,277.0 _______ --- _______ --- __________
__________ 200.0 _____ 778.2 ___ 1,300.5 ___ 2,236.2 ___ 4,256.3 __ 14,054.0 __________
__________ 400.0 _____ 713.5 ___ 1,108.1 ___ 1,798.7 ___ 2,527.8 ___ 5,105.4 __ 16,791.3
__________ 600.0 _____ 656.0 ___ 1,047.3 ___ 1,624.6 ___ 2,651.0 ___ 4,740.0 __ 12,519.8
__________ 800.0 _____ 641.5 ___ 1,000.0 ___ 1,573.1 ___ 2,485.8 ___ 4,584.5 ___ 9,259.3
________ 1,000.0 _____ 672.0 ___ 1,057.8 ___ 1,632.7 ___ 2,633.2 ___ 4,103.8 ___ 7,437.3
________ 2,000.0 _____ 623.3 _____ 998.5 ___ 1,333.8 ___ 1,798.9 ___ 2,608.4 ___ 4,027.7
________ 3,000.0 _____ 643.9 _____ 903.7 ___ 1,195.3 ___ 1,580.9 _______ --- __________
________ 4,000.0 _____ 640.2 _____ 841.3 ___ 1,097.0 _______ --- _______ --- __________
________ 5,000.0 _____ 595.3 _____ 780.8 _______ --- _______ --- _______ --- __________
____________ --- _______ --- _______ --- _______ --- _______ --- _______ --- __________
________ Average _____ 770.9 ___ 1,343.4 __ 12,307.6 ___ 2,562.0 ___ 5,866.0 __ 10,007.1
_________ Median _____ 650.0 ___ 1,023.7 ___ 1,624.6 ___ 2,527.8 ___ 4,662.3 ___ 9,259.3
____________ Max ___ 1,745.2 ___ 4,395.5 __ 98,277.0 ___ 4,256.3 __ 14,054.0 __ 16,791.3
____________ Min _____ 595.3 _____ 780.8 ___ 1,097.0 ___ 1,580.9 ___ 2,608.4 ___ 4,027.7
______ Std. Dev. _____ 346.1 ___ 1,082.2 __ 32,240.3 _____ 859.8 ___ 4,104.9 ___ 4,879.9
____________ --- _______ --- _______ --- _______ --- _______ --- _______ --- __________
__________ Basal _____ 996.1 ___ 2,105.9 __ 33,864.9 ___ 3,300.5 ___ 8,767.2 __ 13,787.5
____________ --- _______ --- _______ --- _______ --- _______ --- _______ --- __________
_____ Reasonable ___ 1,000.0 ___ 2,150.0 __ 33,900.0 ___ 3,350.0 ___ 8,800.0 __ 13,800.0
____________ --- _______ --- _______ --- _______ --- _______ --- _______ --- __________
___________ Avg2 _____ 662.7 ___ 1,004.2 ___ 1,465.0 ___ 2,279.6 ___ 4,009.2 ___ 4,027.7
________ Median2 _____ 643.9 ___ 1,000.0 ___ 1,573.1 ___ 2,506.8 ___ 4,344.2 ___ 4,027.7
________ StdDev2 ______ 54.1 _____ 154.1 _____ 258.8 _____ 466.1 _____ 972.3 _______ 0.0
____________ --- _______ --- _______ --- _______ --- _______ --- _______ --- __________
_________ basal2 _____ 698.0 ___ 1,089.0 ___ 1,614.7 ___ 2,513.1 ___ 4,553.0 ___ 4,027.7
___________ +50% ___ 1,047.0 ___ 1,633.5 ___ 2,422.1 ___ 3,769.7 ___ 6,829.5 ___ 6,041.5
____ Reasonable2 _____ 700.0 ___ 1,100.0 ___ 1,650.0 ___ 2,550.0 ___ 4,600.0 ___ 4,050.0
____ reasonable3 ___ 1,050.0 ___ 1,650.0 ___ 2,450.0 ___ 3,800.0 ___ 6,850.0 ___ 6,050.0


Note that J6 "reasonable" numbers are broken - I'll fix them monday.

"Reasonable" numbers are rounded to next Cr50
2 series throws out highest price.
3 is based upon reasonable 2+50% markup.
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Bk2 costs per day for system ships (no J-Drive)
___ Td ___ 1G ____ 2G _____ 3G _____ 4G _____ 5G _____ 6G
__ 100 __ 59.4 __ 82.4 __ 160.7 __ 241.9 __ 770.2 ____ ---
__ 200 __ 40.3 __ 54.3 ___ 56.7 ___ 77.1 __ 104.1 __ 142.7
__ 400 __ 29.8 __ 38.9 ___ 49.2 ___ 63.2 ___ 63.3 ___ 78.4
__ 600 __ 27.4 __ 35.6 ___ 45.8 ___ 56.0 ___ 69.0 ___ 77.5
__ 800 __ 26.2 __ 34.8 ___ 43.4 ___ 53.7 ___ 64.2 ___ 71.8
_ 1000 __ 28.5 __ 36.6 ___ 45.8 ___ 55.2 ___ 58.0 ___ 61.8
_ 2000 __ 27.0 __ 35.2 ___ 37.1 ___ 38.2 ___ 39.3 ___ 39.7
_ 3000 __ 27.4 __ 30.9 ___ 32.1 ___ 32.3 ____ --- ____ ---
_ 4000 __ 27.2 __ 28.4 ___ 28.9 ____ --- ____ --- ____ ---
_ 5000 __ 26.0 __ 27.0 ____ --- ____ --- ____ --- ____ ---


Note that no down time is figured - if a trip turn around is typically 5 days (as with "normal" starship operations ...), a freight passage taking 2 days will likely be charged 7 days. Figure out what your downtime is.

Month is presumed to be the canonical 28 day month.

I've not adjusted this for a profit margin - I'd expect at least 50% markup, maybe even 100%. In systems with deep gravity wells to fly down, I'd expect routine operations to be at about 50%.
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For those of us whose brains must move between numerous versions of Traveller several times a day, can you explain this slower?

Because my response is something akin to: "And this means?"

I want a table telling me what good numbers are to charge for passages based on number of jumps, or something similar, and charges for Cargo, etc. Or a way to build a table like that for use IMTU.
Bk2 design costs by distance for optimized carriers
CategoryJ1j2j3j4j5j6
Cargo 1TdKCr1KCr 2KCr3.5KCr6KCr15KCr50
Middle Passage Single Occupancy KCr8KCr13KCr20.5KCr33KCr48KCr153
High Passage Single OccupancyKCr10KCr16KCr25KCr40KCr94KCr304
Low PassageKCr1KCr1.5KCr2.25KCr3.5KCr8KCr25.5
Middle Passage Double OccupancyKCr5KCr7.5KCr10.6KCr17.5KCr40KCr127.5
High Passage Double OccupancyKCr6.5KCr9.75KCr14.65KCr22.75KCr51.75KCr165.75


That better for you? Price is per jump of a given range. Note that reduced costs for shorter jumps in longer ranged ships could be worked out, but that the markets will not bear the higher prices.
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