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Liftoff Unofficial discussion related to 13Mann's Traveller: Liftoff set. For official discussion, go to http://forum.13mann.de/wbb/index.php?page=Board&boardID=67.

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Old May 5th, 2014, 09:40 AM
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Now that the lift off rules are out are we going to see a new Traveller section in this forum dedicated to those at all? I already have some errata (animal weights and speeds missing)!
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WAIT, they are OUT?! COOL!

Are they worth buying if I have the Traveller Main Book from Mongoose?
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The draft rules are up as pdfs - you can download them:

https://www.13mann.com/index.php/en/...-set/downloads
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Spotted a couple of errata items too:

Marine officer is missing skills.

Cloth armour has no stats.
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Spotted a couple of errata items too:
Cloth armour has no stats.
Actually, in the Referee's Handbook on p.79, Cloth Armor is listed twice. The first one (at the top) has stats (Armour Value = 3), the second listing (the third entry on the page) seems to have been lifted from T4 (the final sentence ends "Armor Value: 5 (flexible)").
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Is there an official place to discuss problems?

I also assume that the final editorial pass has not been made, so spelling and grammatical errors are probably out of bounds at the moment, right?

I've noticed a problem in taking damage on the personal scale. It looks like they start with CT "each D goes to a stat", but then conflage MgT's armor rules with it in a way that doesn't make sense. Either clarify how armor reduces the damage (all on one dice? Spread how the player likes?) and similarly how weapons listed as 3D+3 add the damage to individual dice, or drop the CT individual dice thing and just treat all damage points from a single attack as a single "hit".

They also don't address a character's age at the end of their career section. Others have noted

I'm personally not that excited about the super-high skill levels you can easily acquire, but in my heart, I'm a LBB1-3 CT character fan, so I wouldn't be.

I do like the more Mekton-esque take on careers and homeworld skills though. I think it might play well in this introductory set, and I'm rather tempted to use that system for CT and MgT. (MgT has homeworld skills, but I like Liftoff's system better.)

With the homeworld skills, you could conceivably play a useful character at age 18. Like Mekton, it might be fun to have a proper option to start off as the "young hot-shot" (just allow a "no career" career that gives you a little money and the choice of one level-2 skill maybe.)

(As a side note, I suspect Mekton was originally influenced by Traveller, but I have no hard evidence to support that suspicion.)

But all in all, I'm very enthusiastic so far. I don't want my initial complaints to come across as negativity. Liftoff has a lot of potential.
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I've noticed a problem in taking damage on the personal scale. It looks like they start with CT "each D goes to a stat", but then conflage MgT's armor rules with it in a way that doesn't make sense. Either clarify how armor reduces the damage (all on one dice? Spread how the player likes?) and similarly how weapons listed as 3D+3 add the damage to individual dice, or drop the CT individual dice thing and just treat all damage points from a single attack as a single "hit".
This will also create a problem with how MgT assesses results of damage (wounded/unconscious/critical, etc), and how the medical/healing rules work in MgT.

The armor-protection/hits/damage-results need to go together as a set - either use the T4 system or the MgT system. If they are mixed, they will get complicated very quickly.
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what is this? It's based on the Mongoose SRD?
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what is this? It's based on the Mongoose SRD?
It's a "Traveller Beginner Box" from 13mann. In draft right now.
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