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Old September 26th, 2013, 04:37 PM
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Given Whedon's statement about a roleplaying game remembered from his college days, it's quite possible, even likely, that Traveller was that RPG. But if he's telling the truth about not remembering the name of the game, he'd hardly be able to include shout-outs in the manuscripts. And really, there's nothing unlikely about someone independently coming up with the term 'traveler' for the peripathetic characters assembled on the Firefly.


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He never said he didn't remember the name. He said he wouldn't give the name. And there's good legal reasons for that. If he acknowledges it by name, he could be sued for royalties.
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He never said he didn't remember the name. He said he wouldn't give the name. And there's good legal reasons for that. If he acknowledges it by name, he could be sued for royalties.
He didn't? I thought he did.

You mean that all the people who wrote the books that Traveller draws its tropes from could sue him?


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Default The Warlord: Battle for the Galaxy aka Osiris Chronicles

well, here's one:

this show seems to have been set during the Long Night (maybe way-post-virus)... Very Traveler-ish. It was a pilot, but never got picked up.

The Warlord: Battle for the Galaxy aka Osiris Chronicles

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War...for_the_Galaxy

this is very rare, took me years to find out what it was after seeing accidentally it's one airing on WB in the late 90s.




The 'heroes' eventually recover a hidden battle-cruiser, from the days before the fall of the galactic federation and set out to rebuild interstellar civilization. the coolest thing about it being that instead of the usual 'red alert' klaxon, the ship sounded a cool bagpipe-and-drum salute to alert the crew.
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He didn't? I thought he did.

You mean that all the people who wrote the books that Traveller draws its tropes from could sue him?


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There is no need for a suit to be winnable in the US. If a credible admission of a specific inspiration were present, the studio would settle (or buy the IP "infringed" and bury it), and take it out of his royalties. Marc's not likely to sue if Joss admitted it was Traveller, but the studio would neither know nor care, and would take it out on Joss, just in case.

It's just like how a lot of licensed movies aren't even close... the license was obtained to prevent being sued at all, rather than because the movie is actually based upon the licensed property. All the studio really wants of the license is to have it be cheaper than settling afterward would be if they did get sued.

Case in point: new BSG. It really didn't have all that much in common with oBSG, and could easily have, by simply changing the name and the shape of the mothership, been shot as a wholly new series; by making it a "reimagining" they got 3 benefits - they couldn't be sued by the oBSG ownership, they got free press for use of the name, and they got a lot of free press from irate fans (myself included) pointing out how it wasn't all that similar, and wasn't what they'd been asking for. (And note that it was the largest mail generation event to date for Sci-Fi channel. They even noted that it appeared they pissed off almost everyone who'd suggested they relaunch the show.) But, by the same token, it's a solid show in it's own right (albeit one that has no appeal for me save the pretty hardware), and not tying it to the original property wouldn't have done it any harm in the long run, but it probably wouldn't have gotten to the long run without it; the incurred expenses of the license pretty much required them to let it run through season 3.

Likewise, a show about a loveable pet-eating alien living with a family would do well to license ALF if they can do it cheaply; even if the alien is nothing like the original, it's still got the built in advert for a "re-imagining".
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Hollywood has been doing copy cat projects since inception. Lawsuits...
Other than the SW BSG publicity stunt lawsuit...name a few great wins?

When a movie is planned, TV or B movies hurry to get ripoffs out first. Or they follow within a brief period of time.

It probably was Traveller but he's not saying "ok...roll 3d6." Influence doesn't mean much. Now tipping the hat to another product is like free advertising.

Either way...another game manufacturer snatched up the exclusive game rights. In my mind, that is unfortunate for the Traveller RPG community.
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But, by the same token, it's a solid show in it's own right (albeit one that has no appeal for me save the pretty hardware), and not tying it to the original property wouldn't have done it any harm in the long run, but it probably wouldn't have gotten to the long run without it; the incurred expenses of the license pretty much required them to let it run through season 3.

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Slightly off topic but you just stated how I felt about BSG with out realizing that is how I felt.

Like the show for what it was, but was not at all thrilled about it being BSG.

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Hollywood has been doing copy cat projects since inception. Lawsuits...
Other than the SW BSG publicity stunt lawsuit...name a few great wins?

When a movie is planned, TV or B movies hurry to get ripoffs out first. Or they follow within a brief period of time.

It probably was Traveller but he's not saying "ok...roll 3d6." Influence doesn't mean much. Now tipping the hat to another product is like free advertising.

Either way...another game manufacturer snatched up the exclusive game rights. In my mind, that is unfortunate for the Traveller RPG community.
When firefly came out, Traveller film/TV rights had been licensed already - Courtney Solomon could have shut him down.

And the BSG suit wasn't a publicity stunt - it was two different licenses that damaged each other, and the one with bigger pockets was granted exclusivity since either going forward would damage the other.
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When firefly came out, Traveller film/TV rights had been licensed already - Courtney Solomon could have shut him down.

And the BSG suit wasn't a publicity stunt - it was two different licenses that damaged each other, and the one with bigger pockets was granted exclusivity since either going forward would damage the other.
Who is Courtney? And why has nothing been produced?

The BSG/SW lawsuit damaged each other how? Lucas film was attempting to control a genre. I am not only one that thinks this was a publicity stunt.

Still copycat projects in Hollywood are very common. And the game industry has many copycats too. Once there was only one SF and one Fantasy RPG. Then many came to be.

Josh probably would not have been shutdown. He would've reinvented it.
There once was a show called Dark Shadows and still he developed Buffy.

I found this discussion about Traveller and Firefly that looked convincing. Thought I'd share it.
http://scifi.stackexchange.com/quest...e-of-traveller
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For anybody who's played Battlefield 2142, you'll note RDX is the explosive du jour. "grav" tanks for the Soviets (they don't fly, they just hover), combat armor for everyone, the only thing missing are gauss and laser weapons.

HALO and DOOM have Traveller written all over it. So does the original Terra Nova game. I'm surprised there haven't been suits, or if there were, then I've now known about them, about computer games just blatantly "borrowing" from Traveller. The BFG-9000 from DOOM is, to me at least, ID Softwares homage to the FGMP-15. And Looking Glass games just blatantly put one in their System Shock 2 game. In fact, I think most FPS games, other than Star Wars Dark forces series, used Traveller, or Traveller like devices / weapons.
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Who is Courtney? And why has nothing been produced?

The BSG/SW lawsuit damaged each other how? Lucas film was attempting to control a genre. I am not only one that thinks this was a publicity stunt.
I was thinking the BSG/BSG lawsuit...

Courtney is the man behind a number of really stupid licensed movies... including the D&D movies.

He also was the finance behind Imperium Games.

The reason for no movie? I can guess... but I suspect that IG failing had something to do with it.
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