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Old May 27th, 2011, 04:22 AM
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Looking for some ideas from the community here- There are a few places in the literature that indicate each ship in Traveller would have it's own unique logo, ID patch or crest that would be on uniforms or other duty garments. I'm usually visualizing something like this:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ArfYw5MvM2...s100-s-001.jpg

Anybody out there have any similar ideas? If a talented artist out there is willing to take a shot at designing something for the Dublin Mudslide, it may just make it onscreen
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I would suggest not using NASA as your baseline... 1, they don't do ship's patches, but mission patches. 2, most of the merchant vessels don't do military style heraldry.

Odds are good that tramps won't have patches as such. Most of the commercial fishing vessel crews I've seen have no ship's patch. What they have are custom embroidered jackets with the ship herself on the back or the left breast, the name of the ship on the left breast (below the art), and the crewman's name on the right. Earning your jacket is a big deal; it takes (usually) 3-6 trips. The greens usually get a hat with the ship's name on the front AFTER being allowed to sign on for a second season. (But note: there are about 6 "seasons" for fishing up here.) The hats usually have the same art, much smaller, under the ship's name. The crewman's first name is often on the back of the hat. And it's considered extremely bad form to wear another ship's jacket once you've earned the one for the ship you're on... you wear it to an interview, and show up without it.

If the skipper is a real cheap SOB, or the crew is large, the ship and name is silkscreened on in silhouette, and only the individual's name is stitched. (It's cheaper to have a silkscreen done; it takes about 20 minutes with a large glossy to do the back silkscreen, and 15 to do the front; the shop retains it for you. Programming the stitching machine to do it takes a couple hours. Running a silkscreen jacket takes 20 minutes plus drying time; stitching one is several hours.)

Common classes would likely already have several screens with various angle shots for cheap skippers.

Things I've seen on ship's jackets, all showing ship name above, and homeport below the pic (most frequent first):
* Ship illo in silhouette
* Ship illo in color
* state map marking home port in reversed color or alternate color
* State map, primary fisheries worked marked in alternate color
* primary prey species usually crab, salmon, or halibut.
* Tombstone - date and list of the dead instead of home port - usually following an accident with multiple fatalities
* A bird - Seagull, Albatross, Puffin, or Eagle
* owner's tribal totem
* North American Map, marking home port and/or fishing grounds frequented.

Keep in mind: patches are usually for identity/credentials within a larger organization; the organization has a uniform, and the patch augments it. Non-military craft that are not part of a line don't need that nearly as much, and skippers are much more likely to not have a uniform, just hats and coats; everyone aboard knows everyone else aboard within a few days. Some of the largest (like the MV Excellence) with crews into the hundreds add a sweatshirt with new crew names penned in with a sharpie; this is as much to let the permanent crew know which new-hire processor crew greenie made a screw-up and gets docked pay.
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Old May 27th, 2011, 06:42 AM
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I would suggest not using NASA as your baseline... 1, they don't do ship's patches, but mission patches. 2, most of the merchant vessels don't do military style heraldry.

Odds are good that tramps won't have patches as such. Most of the commercial fishing vessel crews I've seen have no ship's patch. What they have are custom embroidered jackets with the ship herself on the back or the left breast, the name of the ship on the left breast (below the art), and the crewman's name on the right. Earning your jacket is a big deal; it takes (usually) 3-6 trips. The greens usually get a hat with the ship's name on the front AFTER being allowed to sign on for a second season. (But note: there are about 6 "seasons" for fishing up here.) The hats usually have the same art, much smaller, under the ship's name. The crewman's first name is often on the back of the hat. And it's considered extremely bad form to wear another ship's jacket once you've earned the one for the ship you're on... you wear it to an interview, and show up without it.

If the skipper is a real cheap SOB, or the crew is large, the ship and name is silkscreened on in silhouette, and only the individual's name is stitched. (It's cheaper to have a silkscreen done; it takes about 20 minutes with a large glossy to do the back silkscreen, and 15 to do the front; the shop retains it for you. Programming the stitching machine to do it takes a couple hours. Running a silkscreen jacket takes 20 minutes plus drying time; stitching one is several hours.)

Common classes would likely already have several screens with various angle shots for cheap skippers.

Things I've seen on ship's jackets, all showing ship name above, and homeport below the pic (most frequent first):
* Ship illo in silhouette
* Ship illo in color
* state map marking home port in reversed color or alternate color
* State map, primary fisheries worked marked in alternate color
* primary prey species usually crab, salmon, or halibut.
* Tombstone - date and list of the dead instead of home port - usually following an accident with multiple fatalities
* A bird - Seagull, Albatross, Puffin, or Eagle
* owner's tribal totem
* North American Map, marking home port and/or fishing grounds frequented.

Keep in mind: patches are usually for identity/credentials within a larger organization; the organization has a uniform, and the patch augments it. Non-military craft that are not part of a line don't need that nearly as much, and skippers are much more likely to not have a uniform, just hats and coats; everyone aboard knows everyone else aboard within a few days. Some of the largest (like the MV Excellence) with crews into the hundreds add a sweatshirt with new crew names penned in with a sharpie; this is as much to let the permanent crew know which new-hire processor crew greenie made a screw-up and gets docked pay.
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Freighter crews might have World patches. A patch for each world they deliver to. Corporate crews would probably have their corporate logo.
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Odds are good that tramps won't have patches as such. Most of the commercial fishing vessel crews I've seen have no ship's patch. What they have are custom embroidered jackets with the ship herself on the back or the left breast, the name of the ship on the left breast (below the art), and the crewman's name on the right.
Customs probably differ from region to region. Patches used to be handmade; in the Far Future they're likely to be pretty cheap. Use velcro for fastening and have crewmembers that leave turn in their patches and even tramps are likely to be able to afford them.

IMTU crew carry a patch with homeworld (their own) on the left shoulder and a ship's patch on the right shoulder. At least, they do in the Duchy of Regina.

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Things I've seen on ship's jackets, all showing ship name above, and homeport below the pic (most frequent first):

* Ship illo in silhouette
* Ship illo in color
That'll work with starships too.

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* state map marking home port in reversed color or alternate color
* State map, primary fisheries worked marked in alternate color
Subsector map with homeworld marked.

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* primary prey species usually crab, salmon, or halibut.
Ummm... no, got nothing.

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* Tombstone - date and list of the dead instead of home port - usually following an accident with multiple fatalities
That seems a tad morbid to me. How common is that?

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* A bird - Seagull, Albatross, Puffin, or Eagle
Mythological monsters said to inhabit space and/or jumpspace, perhaps?

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* owner's tribal totem
* North American Map, marking home port and/or fishing grounds frequented.
One that I'd expect to be very common is missing: A pictorial representation of the ship's name. Those are very common IMTU.


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Patches extensively exist IMTU - yes, I was a Scout...they form a badge of honour as well as distinction. We have to remember the 3I is very feudal society therefore these badges serve signifiers to would be employers, rivals and enemies. Otherwise, we dealing with the grey mob/blob that are people who are trapped dirtside. If anything, it is these badges that distinguish Travellers from the norm of the population.

So, whilst it is not mandatory that a ship's crew would have patches of their current and past employers - there is a cultural expectation that they would. Designing the heraldry on such a item would require that you look at a book on heraldry - if the ship has maintained constant ownership for decades, if it is a new ship - then look at books on trademark/logo design. As a private company they have anything that is not a registered Imperial/Non-Imperial Megacorporate logo lest they face trouble with Megacorp's legal department.

Sorry Baeron Gredlocke don't have the artistic talent.
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Tombstone jackets are an oddity; they are usually bought by the survivors, as a tribute to the fallen. And they're not that uncommon, but they also are not worn much. Widows may be given them, too.
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Looking for some ideas from the community here- There are a few places in the literature that indicate each ship in Traveller would have it's own unique logo, ID patch or crest that would be on uniforms or other duty garments. I'm usually visualizing something like this:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ArfYw5MvM2...s100-s-001.jpg

Anybody out there have any similar ideas? If a talented artist out there is willing to take a shot at designing something for the Dublin Mudslide, it may just make it onscreen
while i can see somthing like that being common for imperial navy vessals and the megacorps lines, I don't think an operation the size of a far trader crew would have that sort of thing. I don't really see them has having a uniform, but wearing whatever they like. The jacket idea works, though, in a "shore leave" clothes sort of way.

If you really like the idea, though, why not have one for the former imperial navy\marine characters? A unit patch form his old ship\battalion that he keeps and wears in a prominant location, to act as a boast\warning to potential troublemakers ("whoa, that guys served with 212th? no way am i messng with him.....")


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Customs probably differ from region to region. Patches used to be handmade; in the Far Future they're likely to be pretty cheap. Use velcro for fastening and have crewmembers that leave turn in their patches and even tramps are likely to be able to afford them.

actaully, the british army is starting to do somthing simmilar, though for different reasons.

on the newer issues of jackets, as you can see here, they has slapped a large area of velco unneath her unit patch (Royal Military Police, if you don't know). the idea, i think, is so you can quickly add things like ISAF patches or BDE\battlegroup patches when added to a operation.

most of us just stich the patch on top of the velcro anyway, though


edit: are you just looking for comment on the ship patch idea, or for ideas form the community in general?

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For a brief time during the Vietnam War, several USAF units made "party suits." http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/fac...et.asp?id=4287

These were lightweight shirts or jumpsuits, only used for drinking at bars (after flights). I could see one or more ships' crews in, say, a sector or subsector fleet with a reputation for hardy partying developing these.
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For a brief time during the Vietnam War, several USAF units made "party suits." http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/fac...et.asp?id=4287

These were lightweight shirts or jumpsuits, only used for drinking at bars (after flights). I could see one or more ships' crews in, say, a sector or subsector fleet with a reputation for hardy partying developing these.
I can see many ships having lightweight 1 piece or 2 piece jumpsuits with name, ship name, and home port, and suitable art, for downside & station wear. Something that folds compactly, like silk or thin polyester. (I had a silk shirt that would fold compact small enough to fit in my back trouser pocket, and a rayon set of trousers that would fold to the same size.)

Call them liberty suits... They're put into a pocket on the vacc suit, so that when you get dirtside and locker the vacc suit, you have something more than the thermal control undergarments to wear. I can also see them falling out of favor once the tailored vacc suits come to common use. They're a spacer thing more than a military thing, then...
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