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View Poll Results: Archdukes and emperors are beyond the normal scope of play.
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Old January 9th, 2011, 12:54 PM
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In WW1 Princes died in the trenches, in the War of the Roses the nobles exterminated themselves. In Rome patricians who wanted political power had to serve in the army. At Cannae both Consuls (POTUS and VP analogues) were present, one was KIA. Julius of impeccable lineage had no problem with standing in the front lines to inspire the troops.

Tech though began creating an easy out for upper types. Plenty of WW1 generals found no need to go to trenches, many stayed so far back they could barely hear the arty, aided and abetted by the static nature of the front and radios.

WW1 dead princes:
Prince Heinrich of Bavaria, Prince Friedrich Karl of Prussia and Prince Frederick John of Saxe-Meiningen, Belgium's Baudouin de Ligne as well as England's Prince Maurice of Battenberg.
Most of the cases you quote here are Major War (or worse, civil war in the case of the roses) issues, so most nobelity was involved on them, as their posts were in jeopardy. Most of traveller adventures are about pretty missions on wich hight nobles whouls be out of place (unless as patrons).

Hight nobles in 3I, as I understand it, are true administrators of large zones and larger populations, so they should be deserting ther posts if going on adventuring. So, if a player on a campaign I'm refereing comes to have too high SS, I assume it's a distant cousin of a hight noble, not a noble by himself.

Even if close kindsmen of hight nobles, I don't think they whould be allowed to go adventuring for fear of bein taken as hostages (look what happened when the grandson of the british queen was set to Afghanistan with his regiment and extrapolate it to 3I*).

That doesn't mean that a campaign may not be customized for hight nobles (or high rank military), either as political intrigue near Capital, as diplomats, or anything else a referee can think about (e.g. Arrival Vengeance, if you play it with the players as part of the senior staff).

*EDIT: After all, Afghanistan is a unconventional war, and a minor one for most people (hope no one takes offense, even if he/she disagrees in this point. There are no minor wars for those involved on them). I don't think the reaction whould have been the same if sent to a regular or major war (let's say, should he been sent with the BAOR to deffend Germany. Actually, his uncle fought on the Falklands and there seemed to be no worries about him to become a primary target or a hostage).
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An archduke can be on the other side of a crowded room, get a whisper in the ear and a head point from a staff member, and nod at the PCs after a big hero move, before he leaves the room. That's it.

A duke can induct into the Order of X, right before the PC is retired.

The Assistant Deputy Under Chancellor for the Sub Court, however, is free to secretly meet with the PCs.
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Most of the cases you quote here are Major War (or worse, civil war in the cas Actually, his uncle fought on the Falklands and there seemed to be no worries about him to become a primary target or a hostage).

The job he did had almost a zero chance of becoming a hostage. Also, the enemy they were fighting wouldn't treat captives as hostages. Not without risking the existence of their entire government in the bargain... Ie: never would have happened.
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The job he did had almost a zero chance of becoming a hostage. Also, the enemy they were fighting wouldn't treat captives as hostages. Not without risking the existence of their entire government in the bargain... Ie: never would have happened.
Agreed. Because that I said a regular (read conventional) or major war.

BTW, I'm affraid you messed in erasing the not aplicable parts of my entry you were quoting. As it is, it's difficult to undertand what parts of my entry are you taliking about . (EDIT: for those wanting to read the full text quoted by HG_B, is on entry 21, abrove, this same page)
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BTW, I'm affraid you messed in erasing the not aplicable parts of my entry you were quoting. As it is, it's difficult to undertand what parts of my entry are you taliking about .
Oops. Sorry 'bout that. Will be more careful in the future.
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for my own play. YMMV, of course.
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I was at a store yesterday, not one Traveller item for sale. Mostly War Hammer, Pathfinder, and D&D games on the shelves. I looked at the Space: 1889 book for Savage Worlds and read about how nobles are treated. The book alters nobles a bit from the stock SW rules so that they can be played by PCs. It is assumed that nobles would be able to afford to travel to Mars, and they'd make up the majority of people there.

Maybe in Traveller, all players could be nobles if they were on a world where there are only nobles.
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I say disagree mainly because PnP is all about imagination and if you and your players can imagine it then go for it.

With that said I would think that any contact with an Archduke or the Emperor would have to be minimal, perhaps a mission giver. If you've been aiding the local sector for instance and Archduke may invite you and your players to participate in a grand battle. Heck having contact with these characters could lead to the ultimate way to wrap up a game completely. Then when you run future games you could have NPCs talk about the great battle. Perhaps your next game starts off with your new characters seeking out the remains of the old characters if they went 'missing' during the great battle.

Anyways I say have fun with the game and don't limit your imagination.

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I was at a store yesterday, not one Traveller item for sale. Mostly War Hammer, Pathfinder, and D&D games on the shelves.
I have the same problem at my local store. I went there yesterday though and the owner is ordering some more books for me and I put up a notice that I'm starting a game. With luck Traveller will pop up again in Southern California.

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I have the same problem at my local store. I went there yesterday though and the owner is ordering some more books for me and I put up a notice that I'm starting a game. With luck Traveller will pop up again in Southern California.
Where's that at? Empire games? Or Game Empire? (I can never remember its name) I think there is just one store left in San Diego. There used to be a Wizards of the Coast store which was all right back in the day. Or are you near Los Angeles?
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