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Old September 13th, 2010, 02:30 AM
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/Dukam!/ (literally, "unsorted mess")
So the indiscriminate use of atomic weapons would be "Dukam Nukem"?
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Old September 13th, 2010, 10:47 AM
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So the indiscriminate use of atomic weapons would be "Dukam Nukem"?
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Old September 13th, 2010, 11:07 AM
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Go with Vid... d is a final consonant, not a common one, but it is there... and make it anglicized to Vit. D is, after all, the voiced version of t.
Old vilani traditionalists might pronounce it "vidh", with the "dh" of the celtic word "bodhran" (a small, hand-held drum).

But an emphatic "VEET!" has often been the last word in trade negotiations...


... just before the fighting starts.
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Didn't realize how bad I needed a laugh until I RED this thread you, you.....#$%^&*(&##$%^& THREAD STARTER YOU.
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Old September 14th, 2010, 03:31 AM
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Mara eka Sinaarag!

That was what Captain Remiraan Irem used in the OTEATP pbem game.
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Old September 14th, 2010, 08:55 AM
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Burudak! -- as mentioned above, is a Vilani invective that sort of falls midway between "aw, heck" and "▮▮▮▮▮▮!" on the galactic scale of obscenity. It's derived from buruda, an adjective which refers specifically to a non-human state of impregnation. In this context, it's a perfectly serviceable and polite term; it's extremely bad form -- and highly vulgar -- to use it to describe a human pregnancy, however.

Describing a woman as buruda is one of the quickest ways in the Vilani cultural region to experience the local healthcare system firsthand. Vilani-acculturated Vargr also recognise this insult -- and if anything react more quickly and harshly than their human cousins in the face of it.

Speaking of Vargr, daag (borrowed from the Old Anglic "dog") is a common barroom invective used against them. The derived term daagii actually points in the other direction -- it's a slangy way of describing anything closely associated with Terra, and is often used as an insulting blanket term for Solomani culture in general. This is the source of the Solomani Rim version of daag, which is more likely to be a reference to a SolSec agent than a Vargr.

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I don't know. I could see Vargr using swear words, but the Vilani would have to fill out a form in triplicate before they could say it. Insulting someone's administrative abilities might be more their speed.
Actually, you can do that by complementing a Vilani official on the job he's done. A Vilani expects to be able to do his job, and expects others to expect the same of him. If you praise him for doing something that it is his job to do in the first place... well, that implies a lack of faith in his capabilities.

The Vilani have many aphorisms related to this concept. The one that immediately springs to mind is karunigi lug iire alagek gushin, loosely translated as "a king's complement is an insult from the day before". A bit more generalised version of the saying is mursinek iire khulunek, or "to be praised is to be ruined".

A more positive spin on it is gaapdakimki suleligim baasa ka sikshi biilem: "it is obvious to the whole village when a job is well done".

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The modern spelling (in the Anglic alphabet) may well be "vire", using Kenji's retroflex d pronunciation of R, or "vide", using the non-retroflex D, and in both cases picking up a schwa after. Perhaps archaic Vilani had both D and T, and they assimilated, or T assimilated or mutated into the retroflex D of R?
There is an Old High Vilani-to-Standard Vilani soundchange file. I just ran "vit" through it, and it chugged out "mid" in response.

As the OHV "v" sound was actually a bilabial fricative, this makes sense. Such consonants evolve either into an "m" or a "b" in Standard Vilani. "V" is never used in modern Vilani orthography, likely because that might confuse speakers into pronouncing it as a voiced dental fricative.

Vilani makes absolutely no use of dental consonants. As such, to a traditional (or simply parochial) Vilani, it must be quite disconcerting to see explicitly exposed incisors during a simple conversation. Anglic, on the other hand, makes extensive use of such "biting" consonants -- and as such is the reason behind the put-down term muurashish ("toothy-talk") used to describe that hissing, choppy, guttural tongue. Extremely uncouth (or just very, very drunk) Vilani will even go so far as to openly mock the language by repeating "fa-fa-fa-fa", "fee-fee-fee-fee", "fer-fer-fer-fer", or whatever creative combination of "f's" they can muster, until the point is made.

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vit (veet): Noun. (1) The female of a livestock breeding pair; (2) Any creature that must be coddled in order to preserve its submissive disposition; (3) A person who whinges about the least little discomfort; (4) Any person, male or female, who insists that things be done their way when any other way would be more effective, efficient, and produce less paperwork; (5) An expletive used to express contempt for the hygeine, parentage and/or sexual habits of another sophont.
Well, it works as an OHV word (see above). Interestingly, it fits even better when transliterated into mid, its assumed Standard Vilani descendant. Midkhan already exists as a Vilani verb and, remarkably, means "to worry or be anxious". Another pre-existing word in the lexicon -- khan (meaning "to over-act") -- suggests one half of the compound, with mi (one of several Vilani words for "woman") suggesting the other.

The way I see it, vit could have begun as a vaguely loaded or sexist OHV word for any female creature. It then took two roads: mi (as an "upgraded", and more neutral, term) and mid (for the way you describe it).

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Old September 14th, 2010, 11:05 AM
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So my claim to Traveller fame is to have initiated a study into the etymology of the Vilani word for a female Terran canine. Truly, a proud moment for the Rekobah clan.

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1. Who in the audience would recognize them for what they are/mean?
2. My boot camp company commander used to say that profanity that the first recourse of the linguistically handicapped. Why do you need profanity if you can come up with colorful phrases instead. It's a script and you have time to think it out even if you are linguistically handicapped on the spur of the moment. Taking time to write allow inventing phrases like "May the (insert your choice of vermin) of a thousand (insert your choice of animals from your choice of worlds) infect (insert your choice of anatomical location) at (insert your choice of the most inconvenient time).

That's my 2 credits worth.
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1. Who in the audience would recognize them for what they are/mean?
Who understood the Chinese in Firefly, or the Klingon in TNG?

It adds a bit of colour. It's fun.
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Another pre-existing word in the lexicon -- khan (meaning "to over-act")
KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!
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