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If so, who pays for their retirement?
That varies widely. Many districts have gone for the 401(k) only, so as to reduce ongoing commitments

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And who pays for training their replacements?
The incoming teachers, or, if said teacher is former military, the VA - the training is a bachelor's hard minimum, and usually, also a masters degree. (Only one state didn't require a masters for newly licensed teachers last I checked, which was 2016... and that was Louisiana, who requires a Bachelors degree plus certain courses.)

Most states have lesser requirements for certain specialist teachers: VocTec, JROTC, and Music are often not required to have a standard cert, and usually require a degree in field and a Bachelors.

Many Vocational instructors have a BA in ed, and an AAS or ADT associates in field. Aviation Maintenance Technology instructors usually have a Bachelor's and their AI and A&P FAA credential, and not uncommonly also the jet engines endorsement.

Several states have a separate licensure for school nurses. Alaska requires school nurses (and the one DO who was functioning as a school nurse) to be licensed by the state Dept of education, but they're not required to be licensed by the state dept of Occupational Licensing nor the Medical Board (which operates through the Dept. of Occ. Licensing). One school nurse in Anchorage lost her nursing license for cause, but continues as a school nurse, as the Dept of Ed apparently never got the complaint. (Reasons for her loss of Nursing Occupational License are unclear.)
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"Protect vulnerable people."

Second obvious case: Schools. Are we to forcibly retire any teacher or administrator over 50 years old for their own safety?
I doubt if any will be forcibly retired in Illinois, as then the age discrimination lawsuits will start to fly. Those with 25 to 30 years in taking retirement might be more likely. Thirty years is full retirement benefits in Illinois for school personnel.

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If so, who pays for their retirement? And who pays for training their replacements?
In Illinois, the taxpayers are on the hook for just about all retirement payments for public employees, as their contributions are pretty minimal. Per the Illinois Constitution, no pension benefits can ever be reduced, although the recently hired are under a different calculation for benefits. Take a look at Illinois unfunded pension total of supposedly $137 Billion, more realistic estimates put it at over $200 Billion. Then there is the City of Chicago on top of that, with unfunded teacher retirement benefits, without adding all of the other public employees.

As for replacements, Illinois has a very hard time getting teachers hired, as people would much rather leave the state. Do not even mention Chicago.

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And then you get into who's vulnerable. Elderly, asthmatic, high blood pressure or history of cardiovascular issues, diabetic, immune-compromised.... Are these going to be legal disabilities (with government support) until we get a vaccine, or are they just going to have to take their chances in the workforce?
That will be fairly unlikely, as that would so totally blow up the Social Security Disability Fund, which is already underfunded, as to require massive payroll tax hikes. As for a vaccine, the safest thing to do is assume there will not be one, and then be pleasantly surprised.

By the way, the plague outbreak in London in 1665 left somewhere between one-sixth to one-seventh of the population, which was about a half-million at the time, dead. London and England survived. This current virus does not come near to approaching the lethality of many earlier plagues. People are demanding a risk-free society, and that will not happen.
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"Protect vulnerable people."

Sounds easy. It's not.

Obvious case: nursing homes.
1. Staff isn't paid well enough to keep from needing to work shifts at other facilities, so they're vectors. Where does the money to fix that come from?
2. Staff has families. Including children who would be back in school, presenting massive exposure potential.
1) As long as they have clean scrubs at each workplace, no problem. 2) Few children get sick, and transmission from minors to adults seems to be rare enough that there aren't any known cases (not that all cases are of known origin). The transmission from asymptomatic cases in general is poorly understood.
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Second obvious case: Schools. Are we to forcibly retire any teacher or administrator over 50 years old for their own safety? If so, who pays for their retirement? And who pays for training their replacements?
Same as 2) above. Any staff of vulnerable age and condition should wear protection and limit exposure. Have a separate lounge/lunch room. Students who are sick stay home. It has worked in Sweden. If someone feels the risks are to great, any decision to change careers is met with the same problem.
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And then you get into who's vulnerable. Elderly, asthmatic, high blood pressure or history of cardiovascular issues, diabetic, immune-compromised.... Are these going to be legal disabilities (with government support) until we get a vaccine, or are they just going to have to take their chances in the workforce?
According to Lancet, asthma is not a co-morbidity indicator. Asthma is actually underrepresented among fatalities. More importantly, none of these conditions seem to predispose the patients to contract CV-19. Only that if contracted the chance of hospitalization and death goes up.

People with those health conditions will have to take their chances. It's something called "life." They are also more likely to die from flu, strep, staph, or even common colds. CV-19 is not a special case that defies pathology. Anyone can become a germaphobic hermit, but neither the government nor fellow citizens are obligated to support them financially.
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Other situations are easier, like meat-packing plants or ag workers. Just don't report the illnesses and nobody important will notice or care. No news, no problem.
As far as anybody can tell, it isn't food-borne. If bat sales in China are the origin (call me skeptical), it is from bat saliva and droppings, not the meat.

Anybody in any field of work can catch it, but outdoor conditions (much of agriculture) are detrimental to the virus. UV in sunlight destroys it in minutes where it might otherwise persist for hours. Vitamin D also appears to help the body resist infection.
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On the bright side, the Black Death brought increased liberty and wage increases in it's wake for the Medievals; probably was one of the major factors that cost the English crown it's French holdings.

However, similar plagues weakened the Roman Empire, and was a major factor in Volkerwanderung.

The problem with the current Virus is it's infectious, combined with densely packed populations, and an unwary electorate.

Locally, very few are walking around with masks, but the authorities acted decisively, and almost every store took minimal precautions, with plastic barriers between cashiers and customers (which one article called transparent gold), hand sanitizers, and in one instance, disposable plastic gloves. Add to that respect for personal space (not always followed between close acquaintances). Measures can be ramped up or down, depending on subsequent infection rates.

We don't know if the Virus triggers some form of secondary reactions from exposed people, specifically children.

The issue seems less than the effect of the Virus on the electorate, and more of the authorities having a plan in place when a pandemic appears, and being willing to act decisively.
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The issue seems less than the effect of the Virus on the electorate, and more of the authorities having a plan in place when a pandemic appears, and being willing to act decisively.
admirably accurate. the "plan" has had more effect than the virus - apparently gdp contracted .4 this month.
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