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Old March 11th, 2020, 02:47 PM
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Bad jumps effect positronic brains just as much as human ones.

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I would surmise that that footnote is misinformation, so that the plotters don't know what really happened to 'their' robots.
The context is Iím reading the pdf version with MMís annotations. They are in his voice from him as the author - they are not Agent Blandís thoughts in the text or in the footnotes. Iíd love to hear Mr Millerís answer to this question.
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The context is Iím reading the pdf version with MMís annotations. They are in his voice from him as the author - they are not Agent Blandís thoughts in the text or in the footnotes. Iíd love to hear Mr Millerís answer to this question.
So, "robots" can't survive jump but Virus...can?
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I think it is just these specific robots.

The idea that robot brains produced by the Imperium or the Hivers can not survive jump is just a plain silly idea, not to mention contradicted by extant canon.

If, and it is a big if, MWM truly intends to retcon this idea into the OTU that it is all robots it will have massive setting changing effects, the law of unintended consequence doesn't even come into it.

I wonder where Marc got the idea from... no matter, it is a daft one.

I have been scouring the latest version of T5 to see if there is a jump space limitation on robots but if it is there I haven't found it yet.
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I would fully agree that it has long been canon that robots can make jumps, and it would make little sense if they couldn't. What would be the significant difference in the processors between the robot and a ship's computer ?
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I don't agree robots cant make jumps.

One reason: VIRUS.
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Vacuum tubes with fiber-optic backup? The mind reels.
As does the magnetic tape storage...

It could have been something specific to those particular Von Neumann machines' method of being self-aware. But it might also explain why starships need sophont crews rather than being automated. On the other hand, it doesn't explain Virus-controlled ships.
It's not of need tapes. Cassette and Cartridge are, outside of audio, almost perfect pseudonyms.

Data cassettes and data cartridges have both been terms used by manufacturers for rope memory modules, active ram modules, plug in rom modules (tho' the only rom cassettes labeled such that I've seen were for stage lighting.), battery backed up ram, and, of course, multiple tape formats.
Cassette also is used extensively in older military terminology for large capacity removable ammunition magazines for crew served or vehicle mounted weapons.

I've assumed non-magnetic storage for some time; in fact, once I made the swap to MVT cpus, and encountered a backplane computer system, each cassette is essentially a daughtercard using a backplane archetechture, including all the special hardware the device requires.
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well, in checking out AotI, I ended up reading it, and am still working through it. but in reference to the robot notation made by Mr. Miller, I think it might have been a thought he had concerning something that he writes about later in the story. and that is just my thought about the notation.

I like what I have read so far, especially since I didn't think I was going to like it in the first place. have to admit, some things look more like magic wrapped in science fiction, but as far as the original post, I think robots can survive just fine in jump space, unless there is some technological reason some creator race had making them in the first place.
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I suspect that Mark's note may have only been intended to refer to those particular robots -- which would explain why they were building a NAFAL ship rather than one with a Jump Drive, despite their otherwise high tech level.

They may not have been "aware" that they couldn't survive in Jumpspace (though they may have known it at one point and then deleted the information as irrelevant millenia ago since they did have a form of -- sublight -- interstellar propagation).
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It is indeed the Dathsuts chapter and the robots in question traverse the universe sublight - they may be Essaray constructs.

Ther is nothing to suggest that Imperial robot brains can not survive jump.
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have to admit, some things look more like magic wrapped in science fiction
Cue long pedantic discussion about science fiction, and where various aspects of Traveller sit on the continuum.
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