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Old June 4th, 2019, 06:07 PM
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Looking through the first version Core Rulebook and the Supply Catalog, I'm struck by the apparent absence of man-portable guided missiles (MPGM), both anti-tank and air defense (MPATGM, ManPAD respectively) and the man-portable rocket launcher/recoilless antitank rifle. These would be different from the rocket launchers (a crew-served tripod or vehicular-mounted weapon) and RAM Grenade Launcher that are in the Supply Catalog and are much lighter (they are man-portable !) than the missiles in that book.

These weapons have been ubiquitous since the 1960's (with the recoilless rifle having been largely replaced by the MPATGM in first and second tier militaries). The recoilless rifle (and panzerschrek, bazooka, etc.) fired HE, HEAP, and flechette rounds, and would be 75mm (light) to 90mm (medium) (the vehicular-mounted heavy weapon was 106mm in US inventories of the 1970's and 80's).
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We ARE talking MgT1E right?


The Core weapons are just more for adventurers and is very much like the original kit from LBB3 classically,


CSC 1E has an extensive rocket and missile section. In the early page 100s you get a thorough discussion of warhead effects and costs, then in pages 117-130 most of that is missiles/rockets, including man-portable and artillery level. Slap on the warhead you want onto the missile package and you're good to rock.


Not a lot of SAM coverage, you kind of have to use the guided rules which are spread around in the first section with the rules then extrapolate. But it's all there, and more then what most people got with LBB4 and waited until Striker to get explicit/build sequences.


Arguably CSC is missing a lot of air vehicle which is covered more in the various versions of the vehicle books. You have to put them together to get the whole SAM picture.
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Kilemall, the CSC didn't seem to address man-portable missiles - the specific section seems to address only the heavier types that would be either ground launched or mounted on a vehicle/aircraft (or from a tripod, in the case of rocket launchers). I do see that there are also rockets mentioned in the Core Rulebook, but in a fairly cursory manner.

A couple of examples: the modern Milan ATGM masses 16.4 kg, has a 115 mm HEAT warhead, range of 2,000 meters (3,000 in the latest extended range variant), and is wire guided.
The old Dragon of the 1970's (used into the 90's; still in inventory) massed almost 17 kg (missile plus reusable launcher), had a 140 mm shaped charge warhead, range of 1,500 meters, and is also wire guided.
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<Shrug> you must have a different CSC version then I have, pages 116-119 is nothing BUT light RPAT goodness. It's definitely short in the MANPAD department which is odd as hall the time you'll be dealing with air/rafts/Gcarriers, and again for guided missiles mounted on vehicles you'll end up building your own with guided and warhead components, but the personal stuff is there.
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