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In My Traveller Universe Detail what parts of Traveller you do (or don't) use in your campaign.

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Old November 5th, 2020, 07:51 PM
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It is still not 'you' that wakes up.

It is a copy with the memories and personality that thinks it is you, but it isn't.
That is a philosophical debate for in-universe or IRL. As far as I am concerned, it is new playing piece for the RPG.
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That is a philosophical debate
No, it isn't a philosophical debate. It is reality. If I create a copy of you while YOU are alive then say YOU are going to be terminated but no worries as you will be alive as your copy is alive you WILL reject that as not being the REAL situation.
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Very nicely put.
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Very nicely put.

Thanks, use of reductio ad absurdum sometimes does the trick.
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Is it ok if I borrow your quote when discussing such things with Eclipse Phase and Altered carbon fans? I will credit you as the original proponent of the argument that destroys their misconceptions
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Is it ok if I borrow your quote when discussing such things with Eclipse Phase and Altered carbon fans? I will credit you as the original proponent of the argument that destroys their misconceptions
Of course but no need to credit. BTW, you might want to rewrite as the wording is clumsy in the last sentence, using the "you" pronoun a bit too much.
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That is a philosophical debate for in-universe or IRL. As far as I am concerned, it is new playing piece for the RPG.
Well in this case the original piece was never played, it is his back story, it has the same effect as a prior career, he gets the advantage of youth while at the same time having lots of skills with all those career terms he had or remembers he had. Since no one was playing the original character his memories were copied from,, no one has their character die.
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No, it isn't a philosophical debate. It is reality. If I create a copy of you while YOU are alive then say YOU are going to be terminated but no worries as you will be alive as your copy is alive you WILL reject that as not being the REAL situation.
well in this case the person who was copied died of natural causes, so copying him did not kill him, he was only dead for a short while before the froze him, if they did not freeze him, he would still be dead, he lived a full life, had children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren, so his life was not cut short, and now several thousand years later we create a new person with his memories and experiences, because he has those memories, he thinks he is the old person, he looks just the way he did during World War II, or so he remembers anyway, he is going to act and behave like that long dead person, and because of those memories, he thinks he is that person.
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well in this case the person who was copied died of natural causes, so copying him did not kill him,
Irrelevant to my argument. I didn't argue what you are posting about.
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