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Old November 20th, 2020, 08:54 PM
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what if there was a pair of identical twins that could telepathically communicate with each other in real time with virtually unlimited range? That is their only psionic power, they can only communicate with each other, it is a wild talent that they were born with. What implications would this have? Attempts could be made to clone them, but this would not work, their clones don't have this talent. How could this be used?
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what if there was a pair of identical twins that could telepathically communicate with each other in real time with virtually unlimited range? That is their only psionic power, they can only communicate with each other, it is a wild talent that they were born with. What implications would this have? Attempts could be made to clone them, but this would not work, their clones don't have this talent. How could this be used?
Likely depends on the degree to which the power is volitional and the efficiency with which information could be transferred. For an unscrupulous polity you would of course have the option of keeping them "pressed" into service, though the effectiveness of this probably also depends on other technological advancements that are present. If the telepathy can be "procced" without conscious action from the subjects you could probably have a Minority Report style set-up where drugged psychics relay critical information. If you have a mind-machine interface things get a bit more fun; you can immediately transcribe psychically received information into electronic formats instead of relying on the telepaths to verbally relate everything. This also gives you the option of routing less important information through them as well. If having slaved telepaths hooked up 24/7 is logistically or ethically untenable their (presumably well-paid) service would probably be more limited, but still invaluable if there are no other means of FTL communication.

To be honest, telepathy doesn't make for a half-bad ansible in sci-fi, there are plenty of ways for the author to spice things up and comes with some built-in options for limitations (i.e., a space internet seems unlikely, but space telegraph works out). With technologically-mediated psi the matter becomes even more interesting; banks of "jacked-in" telepaths lost in trances or perhaps machines (self-aware or not) capable of psychical activity? These sorts of questions really put "psionics" back into its position as a routinization and systematization of psi powers rather than solely the abilities themselves. For better or worse, Traveller has generally focused on the latter.
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How could this be used?
Making book on sporting events happening in other star systems. Since it is known what the earliest time in which communication from X parsecs can arrive . People probably place bets on events that have already happened but cannot know the outcome for many days.
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Making book on sporting events happening in other star systems. Since it is known what the earliest time in which communication from X parsecs can arrive . People probably place bets on events that have already happened but cannot know the outcome for many days.
Yes, that is how it starts, but if they make a lot of money over sports betting, other people will start to notice, interested parties, Imperial Intelligence for example, they will start noticing that someone is getting information faster than they should and they will become very interested.

The Imperium could use some instantaneous communication, if it comes in the form of a psionic capability, they will take it, and they will start looking for other twins with similar abilities.
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Yes, that is how it starts, but if they make a lot of money over sports betting, other people will start to notice,
You don't make bets you TAKE them and set the odds slightly better for your company than competitors. Odds are nothing will be dome as you are not constantly winning like if you were places bets yourself on a win lose basis.

Making book refers to a bookie "who facilitates gambling, most commonly on sporting events. A bookie sets odds, accepts, and places bets, and pays out winnings on behalf of other people."
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You don't make bets you TAKE them and set the odds slightly better for your company than competitors. Odds are nothing will be dome as you are not constantly winning like if you were places bets yourself on a win lose basis.

Making book refers to a bookie "who facilitates gambling, most commonly on sporting events. A bookie sets odds, accepts, and places bets, and pays out winnings on behalf of other people."
Then the Imperium Intelligence Service will take longer to notice, but they will notice. It's not that it's illegal, but the Imperium would love to have this capability, and if they find one pair of twins, they will look for others, if they can get a bunch of them, they would have an early warming system for things such as an invasion of the Imperium, Imperium naval ships can respond faster. Ships can be move faster to the invading force stacking the odds and numbers in favor of the Imperium if their opponents lack this capacity.
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I'm reminded of Heinlein's Time for the Stars, where telepathy, particularly twin telepathy, is the only method of FTL communication.

It would be something the Imperium would want for both nefarious and benign purposes.
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I'm reminded of Heinlein's Time for the Stars, where telepathy, particularly twin telepathy, is the only method of FTL communication.

It would be something the Imperium would want for both nefarious and benign purposes.
That's where I remember this very thing! Thanks. I can remember that the star-faring one came back not as aged as the one who stayed behind. Not applicable for Traveller.
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Then the Imperium Intelligence Service will take longer to notice, but they will notice. It's not that it's illegal, but the Imperium would love to have this capability, and if they find one pair of twins, they will look for others, if they can get a bunch of them, they would have an early warming system for things such as an invasion of the Imperium, Imperium naval ships can respond faster. Ships can be move faster to the invading force stacking the odds and numbers in favor of the Imperium if their opponents lack this capacity.

The converse would be true- the Zhos in particular would likely have a network of such twins as they actually develop psionics systematically and would likely pick/accelerate twins for training and promotion, conferring a really big advantage.


Very pampered, very important people, And very watched, very controlled, very much killed on risk of capture to avoid falling into the 'wrong hands'. The 3I must not know anything of the program.



Mongoose Traveller, I'm looking at you for your upcoming Fifth Frontier War redo. This could be a major story line, just severing/blowing up this link would be a HUGE strategic element and put the Zhos to major advantage.
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That's where I remember this very thing! Thanks. I can remember that the star-faring one came back not as aged as the one who stayed behind. Not applicable for Traveller.
Maybe it is, the Imperium has the capability for relativistic space travel, its not used much, but if the twins are like a wormhole. One gets time dilated and the other does not, the one that does not becomes like a seer, seeing the future through his twins eyes., lets say it involves something like quantum entanglement, maybe a microscopic wormhole is used there.

Here's an idea, the Imperium captures a set of twins, builds a starship equipped for relativistic space travel and sends one of the twins into the future, it happens to be the New Era setting, after rummaging through the ruins, the twin in the future traces it all back to the assassination of Emperor Stephron, the Imperial authorities arrest the would be assassin before he completes his act and the assassination doesn't happen, the future twin is stuck in the New Era setting, he can still communicate with his brother in the past, he informs him that ss far as he can tell, the timeline he is in has not changed. What could happen next?

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