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Old August 15th, 2005, 05:01 PM
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Odd isn't it?

Did you try resurrecting the thread to see if the missing stuff would come back?
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Originally posted by Sigg Oddra:
Or what is the web site that archives old stuff?
FWIW QLI has blocked the Wayback Machine from archiving the forums and some other sections.

"We're sorry, access to - has been blocked by the site owner via robots.txt."

However google does have at least a basic cache of the forums. I doubt it's very good at archiving lost forum threads.
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Thanks for the link Casey, this time I'll add it to favourites
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Okay, here's the points I've collected for CT+. Most of the points raised are either complementary or reconcilable; in other words, there's a lot of agreement here.

I've tried to group compatible wants into the same point; if I've made a mistake or your mind has changed, please PM me and I'll update this list. Maybe we can shrink this down to an orthogonal set.

Here's each category, with opinions in the order of postage.

Sigg = "Sigg Oddra"
Taylor = Michael Taylor
Fralix = Andy Fralix


Chargen A - General
Want - Blank "Career Form" to play with

MT's basic CG. (Sigg, Aramis, Fralix, robject, Taylor (I think), Zakrol)

CT chargen plus extended chargen from LBBs 4, 5, 7, Citizens. (I suspect this is going to be very similar to MT, but I'll leave it separate for now -robject) (Maladominus)

Add chargen from all CT alien supplements, including minor human races. (Maladominus)

2d6 for stats. (Fritz88, robject)

CT attributes. (Fritz88, robject)

T20 attributes. (Fritz88)

Use something like CT enlistments. (Fritz88)

Derive your XPs from survival, decorations, promotions, type of duty for that year, etc. (Fritz88)

Have attribute increases available during Prior History creation. (Fritz88)

NO Levels! (Fritz88, robject)

Specializations or Life Pursuits as a substitute for Citizens career resolution (but Citizens stuff is okay to have also). (robject)


Chargen B - Skill Acquisition
Want - Proposed skill lists

More skills than CT, fewer than MT. (Sigg, robject)

Clean up/integrate the list to blend with the careers. (Maladominus)

On the acquired skills table: "pick from, or roll dice on, the following tables", with the caveat that if you choose, no more than two levels in a particular skill can be gained per term of service. (Sigg)

Eliminate random rolls for skills. (Taylor)

Professional, Technical and Knowledge skills. (Fritz88)

Put Knowledge-type skills available in the "8+ Education only" skill list so some skills are not available to the truly education-challenged. (Taylor, Fritz88)

Have a combination of basic skills, choice, and randomly assigned skills depending on type of character. (Fralix)

No limit on number of skill levels. (Fralix)

Feats/Arcane Skills. (Fritz88, robject)

Use experience points to determine how many skills received per year/term. (Fritz88)

Allow skills from outside the service matrix at a higher cost. (Fritz88)


Chargen C - Life Pursuits

Use Life Pursuits as a mechanism for player choice and/or specialization. (Sigg, Fritz88, robject)


Chargen D - Default/Homeworld Skills

Homeworld skills (level-0 or level-1), some chosen, prior to enlistment. (Taylor, Fritz88, robject)


Chargen E - Extras

A special duty roll to gain more benefits per tem. (Sigg, robject)

Add/merge in ideas/careers from the old T5 playtest chargen. (robject)

Benefits: Rolls on the money table are what you have managed to save during your terms of service. Assume that the character has acquired any basic equipment reasonable to their past history. Unusual or special (for example, military only) equipment must be purchased or acquired by some means up to the PC and referee. (Fralix)

Add level 7 & 8 to benefits tables and add an appriate means of reaching the DM to access those levels. All ship benefits would be on level 8 and add equalivalent benefits to those services that lack them. Make all multiple benefits meaningful. (Don't let additional TAS rolls become wasted rolls.) (Fralix)


Task System
Want - one page "at a glance" task description
Want - one page of task examples

Target number scale of 4 8 12 16 20, and a DM of characteristic/3. (Aramis, Sigg, robject)


Equipment

Add weapons and armour from Mercenary. (Sigg)

Integrate the newer gear and weaponry all in one place. (Maladominus)

Use the "Integrated Equipment List" (robject)


Personal Combat

Armor reduces damage. (Sigg, Taylor, robject)

Use flexible vs rigid armor. (Sigg, robject)

T4/T20 hybrid damage system (simpler than MT's pen/dmg rules, closer to CT). (Sigg, robject, kafka47?)

Weapons should have pen and damage values. (Amazingly great for scalability, closer to MT) (Oz, Aramis, Bromgrev)

Keep the same old combat system, because changing it would seriously alter the "Classic setting". (Maladominus)

Add a penetration roll that determines how much (if any) damage is deducted from the weapon's impact. (Oz)

It would be nice to have a close call kind of injury result: something that will leave you with noting more than a scar to brag about. (far-trader, robject)

Use something like the 2300AD system. (Fralix)

Add in a combat hit location chart. (kafka47)


Vehicle Design

Starship construction based on T20/High Guard. (Sigg, Fralix, Aramis)

Vehicle/Starship construction on two levels: a modular design level, somewhere between HG and LBB2 in complexity, and a module design level. (robject)

A fully-scaled system for vehicle design, from scooters to starships (and beyond, to space stations). (Bromgrev, robject)


Vehicle Combat

Starship combat based on Mayday/LBB2 hybrid plus sensor tasks from MT. (Sigg, robject)

Use MT's damage rules. (Aramis)


Computers

Computer program rules from LBB2. (Sigg)

Computer hardware rules from T4. (robject)


Trade

Trade based on T20's tables, but with a per parsec revenue base. (Sigg)

LBB-based (perhaps revised) rules. (robject)


Worlds

LBB3, as-is. (Sigg)


Etc

Use TNE Initiative and Contacts rules. (Aramis)

A weapons design system compatible with the vehicle design system. (Bromgrev, robject)

Include all the necessary deckplans of all typical player career ships (i.e. Types S, A, L, K, etc) in ONE section. (Maladominus, robject)

Finally, add some polish or extra minor delicious goodness. For example, does anyone have a clue what the Logo/Banner of the Two Thousand Worlds is? I dont think it exists!! I've never seen what the symbol of the K'Kree people. Certainly this is something that would be nice as "brand new never-seen material" to add polish to any proposed product. (Maladominus)
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It was worth resurrecting the thread just to see that list, thanks rob [img]smile.gif[/img]

On hindsight I would suggest just using the MegaTraveller character generation system, although I think MT went overboard with the number of different skills, I'd rather stick with the CT list plus a few extras.

I'd also add the phrase to the Aquired skills table "pick from, or roll dice on, the following tables", with the caveat that if you choose no more than two levels in a particular skill can be gained per term of service.

As to the task system, I agree with Aramis that a target number scale of 4 8 12 16 20, and a DM of characteristic/3 fits CT better.

And while I have always liked the Striker/AHL/MT separation of penetration and damage I think that the T4/T20 hybrid does much the same thing but is much easier to explain and play out.
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The reason I'm sold on pen+dmg is because it makes conglomerating and unconglomerating units simple (assigning damage is still an issue, but one problem at a time).
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Which is useful for a wargame, but less so for a role playing game

Don't get me wrong, I think the MT rules were the best incarnation of the Traveler ruleset, it's just in my experience people who's first taste of Traveller was the MT rules found the combat system to be one of the most difficult parts.

Plus it involves multiplication and division, that'll put yung'uns off it...

"what, I need a calculator to play the game? [img]graemlins/file_28.gif[/img] ".

I thought the purpose of CT+ was for an easy introductory ruleset, keep pen/damage separation for T5
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Ah, you're probably right. I actually haven't used the full MT combat system, in fact, but I do appreciate the scalability. Maybe there's a happy medium?

I hadn't thought about the wargame-rpg separation much, though I figure Traveller has strong wargame roots.

It's really hard to part with the inherent scalability...
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Quote:
Originally posted by Sigg Oddra:

Hypothetically, what would you put into CT+?
For my ideal.... CT+ would have been essentially a "cleaned up" CT.


1) Includes Basic rules books

2) Plus all other CT Books (e.g. High Guard, Mercenary, Traders and Gunboats)

3) Integrate Citizens of the Imperium

4) Integrate all CT Alien Supplements

5) Integrate the "lesser" aliens like the Darriens, Vegans, Geonee, etc. These were not officially covered in their own supplements in old CT, but were only barely mentioned in some odd JTAS articles or an entry in some other supplement. Include them as "readily-playable" races.


6) Include all the necessary deckplans of all typical player-ships in ONE section. For example, the Scientists NEED to have deckplans for their Lab Ships, because they could get LabShips from mustering out. Why the heck was this Labship deckplan not provided in COTI in the first place?!

7) Clean up the SKILLS. For example, the Bureacrat profession NEEDS to be able to roll for the Legal skill (which is included for Merchant Prince). Also, the Diplomat NEEDS to be able to roll for the Linguistics skill (which oddly enough appeared in the Scouts). Also, the Scientists NEED to be able to roll for the Robotics skill (which was already covered in the Robots book). And it would be criminal if the Scientists did not have Archaeology skill available. It would also be criminal for the Rogues to not have Stealth skill available (Stealth skill appeared in 3rd party supplement Scouts & Assassins). See the pattern here???? The Skills line-up needed to be re-vamped.

8) Keep the same old combat system, because changing it would seriously alter the "Classic setting". But also integrate the newer gear and weaponry all in one place: for example the stats for the Stun Carbine was buried somewhere in the Death Station adventure.

9) Finally, add some polish or extra minor delicious goodness. For example, does anyone have a clue what the Logo/Banner of the Two Thousand Worlds is? I dont think it exists!! I've never seen what the symbol of the K'Kree people. Certainly this is something that would be nice as "brand new never-seen material" to add polish to any proposed product.


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My only difficulty with the MT combat system (other than its complexity which is not that complicated but more complicated than it need be) is that it loses the swift deadliness that make CT so very cool.

Classic Traveller was a product of the Vietnam War and the combat rules, as we get each version of Traveller it goes more the way of a movie set (haven't used T20) whilst this is good for metaplaying for run of the mill role playing it ought to be more real - guns kill, space is a deadly place, boys & girls. Walking around in battle dress may reduce the impact but it won't give the equiliant -10AC.

But, that said, I would add in all sorts of nice features like a combat hit location chart and give the player an option of using it. The quasi-random and debilitating reduction of ability scores seems to be a fault in CT. If a player got shot in the eyes that would account for the Dex reduced to 2...etc.
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