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Old May 1st, 2008, 11:14 AM
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Question Rule variations within CT

Hey all,

I recently borrowed a copy of the Traveller Book and I noticed a discrepancy in the combat matrices from LBB 1. For example, Bk1 lists the damage dice for Body Pistols as 3D-8, Auto Pistols 3D-3 and Rifles 3D. But in the Traveller Book, all three weapons have damage dice listed as 3D.
How did I not notice this before? Which version of damage dice do you use in your games? And are there other points of discrepancy between the big Book and the LBBs? How did this happen?

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Hey all,

I recently borrowed a copy of the Traveller Book and I noticed a discrepancy in the combat matrices from LBB 1. For example, Bk1 lists the damage dice for Body Pistols as 3D-8, Auto Pistols 3D-3 and Rifles 3D. But in the Traveller Book, all three weapons have damage dice listed as 3D.
How did I not notice this before? Which version of damage dice do you use in your games? And are there other points of discrepancy between the big Book and the LBBs? How did this happen?
Bob W.
Damage changed in Snapshot (1979). These changes were reflected in the second printing of the LBBs (1981), the Traveller Book (1982) and Starter Traveller (1983).

IMHO, the problem with the original weapon damages is that applying modifiers made the process of applying damage unreasonably fiddly. By eliminating modifiers, it became much easier to apply damage in single-die increments.
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There are a lot of changes between the original version of CT and the revised version.
IMHO the revised version of damage dice is much better.
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Ah, yes. The Classic Typos. The first generation combat tables had +/- modifiers for damage, which were quickly dropped in favor of straight numbers of dice for damage. The problem was the second generation combat tables did not adjust in the areas of the Cutlass and the Body Pistol. The publication of Citizens of the Imperium and others after properly list the the damage as Cutlass=3D6 and Body Pistol=2D6.
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Damage changed in Snapshot (1979). These changes were reflected in the second printing of the LBBs (1981), the Traveller Book (1982) and Starter Traveller (1983).
Not second printing, second edition. There were trivial changes in the first several printings, like J Torps going away... but the 1981 and later printings were strongly revised.
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Not second printing, second edition. There were trivial changes in the first several printings, like J Torps going away... but the 1981 and later printings were strongly revised.
I thought the sole reference to Jump torpedoes was in Leviathan.
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Not second printing, second edition....
Glad we got that important point clarified.

Second edition.
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Jump torpedos were in every print run of original CT until the revised version was published in 1981, along with a drive table that is subtly different from the revised version and a few other changes (no trade route table in LBB3 revised for example).

Somewhere, somewhen there was a thread about all the differences between "original" CT and "revised" CT.

Another notable change from original to revised is scouts getting two skills per term of service and the optional death rule.
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...Another notable change from original to revised is scouts getting two kills per term of service and the optional death rule.
So um, just who are these serial killer Scouts killing at a rate of two per term. And what are the kill rates for the other careers? I can't seem to find it mentioned...




I love it when notes about errata contribute to the same and create a fun new rule.

That's a killer typo there
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Jump torpedos were in every print run of original CT...
I've always strayed away from the controversy surrounding J-Torps, never reading the whys and why nots.

In a sentence or two, can provide both sides of the argument?



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Another notable change from original to revised is scouts getting two kills per term of service and the optional death rule.
And, would you mind spelling these rules out? I'd like to hear what they were.







PS: I've never seen a copy of first edition CT (or even the first Book 5), but I am aware of the massive changes--I just don't know what all of those changes are. I do know, in Book 5, that the fuel purifier is different from that in the later edition.
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