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Old September 23rd, 2009, 06:05 PM
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OK, here are the final two designs:

The file "HIVER EXPLORER" shows the ship stats as per CT LBB2 2ed, unmodified by the Hiver ship design rules in CT AM7. The bridge costs for this design are the standard MCr 0.5 per dTon which is the same cost in CT AM7 for a multi-species bridge.

The file "HIVER EXPLORER Adjusted" shows the ship stats as per CT LBB2 2ed, but with the modifications from CT AM7 to the bridge cost (MCr 0.4 per dTon for Hiver-only operated ships) and the halving of the cost of the Model/3 computer and the doubling of the computer's program capacity.

Both designs still exceed the allocated space in the hull for the drives, and both designs exceed the hull capacity of 200 dTons.

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Old September 23rd, 2009, 07:08 PM
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Here is the "HIVER EXPLORER" file.
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Here is the "HIVER EXPLORER Adjusted" file.
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OK, I did the Hiver Explorer: it is borkne. Question: should I be using 1st or 2nd edition LBB2, or TTB?

Using CT Book 2 2ed:

1. The drives given in AM7 won't fit into the allocated 15 dTon drive section of the 200 ton hull. The drives total 40 tons (J-D=25 + M-D=5 + PP=10 = 40).
2. The ship build time in LBB2 2ed for a 200 dTon hull is 12 months; CT AM7 states 11 months.
3. By my calculations, the ship comes out at MCr 123.1; CT AM7 says MCr 113.1.
4. There are 10 staterooms; 5 for crew + 5 for passengers. CT AM7 says that double occupancy allows 15 total onboard - incorrect? Should be 20? Not sure.

I also still need to apply all the changes for Hiver ships listed on p. 38.

More to come.
1: use a custom hull. It's a Bk2 option.
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Good point. That might make the price closer to the cost quoted in CT AM7.
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Here is the Hiver Explorer with a custom hull to solve the "drives won't fit" problem (without Hiver-only modifications).
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And here is the Hiver Explorer ship, built using a 200 dTon custom hull and with the Hiver-only modifications from CT AM7 (38, 39).
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OK, this is the final variant of the Hiver Explorer: a custom hull (MCr 20, 12 months build time), multi-species bridge (MCr 0.5 per dTon, instead of MCr 0.4 for a Hiver-only bridge) and a Hiver computer (computer cost is halved, capacity is doubled).

The final price is very close to the price shown in CT AM7 - this design is MCr 111.1, the price shown in CT AM7 is MCr 113.1 - a difference of a mere MCr 2.

However, the total dTonnage of all the components is still 204 dTons in a 200 dTon hull. This applies across all of the designs I've posted.
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OK, I forgot to include streamlining in all of the above designs, and CT AM7 specifically states that all the designs in the book have multi-species bridges.

Taking that into account, the final design is the one above this post with MCr 2 of streamlining added - bringing the final cost to MCr 113.1...... which is the same as in the book
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Working on putting a new release together... I'll be going through these again (and Gruffty, thanks for the Hiver ships!!!).
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