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Old June 22nd, 2011, 01:01 PM
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Default Ship sizes for some classic ships ...

Some classic Trek ships, that is!

Mainly, I was hoping there was a good resource to figure out what the displacement (i.e. volume) for the following TOS ships:
- Constitution-class cruiser
- D7 Battlecruiser
- Romulan warbird
- Tholian ship
- Shuttlecraft

I don't need (or really want) anything exact. Just something to two significant digits. In either cubic meters or displacement tons.

Thank you in advance!
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There was a thread about the Enterprise somewhere on this board somewhere. Try searching. From memory I think the constitution class was scaled to about 100,000 tons.

The Galileo looks to be around 10 tons..tiny!
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I was hoping there was a good resource to figure out what the displacement (i.e. volume) for the following TOS ships:
- Constitution-class cruiser
- D7 Battlecruiser
- Romulan warbird
- Tholian ship
- Shuttlecraft
According to Franz Joseph's Star Fleet Technical Manual, the original Constitution-class heavy cruiser is 190,000 deadweight metric tons. There's no specs on the Shuttlecraft, but it seats 7 and is about 6m long, 2.5m wide, and 2m high.

According to Ships of the Star Fleet, Volume One, the Constitution-class is 181,000 metric tons standard (177,000mt light, 185,000mt full load).
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Const. Class: based upon measurements of the SFTM by FJ, 167001kL or so... just shy of 12KTd. But note also: it's a bit too small...
Nacelles: 153.619x (13.2 to 17.3) approx 28563kL or 2040Td each.
Saucer: 127.1x29m using some conic chunks and approximations, 46158 kL, or 3297 Td
Sec. Hull: approx 56017kL or 4001 Td
Neck: 2700kL or 193Td
Struts 43m x2.5m x13 approx 2500kL or 178Td Each

The SFTM DN saucer is larger - 123000kL or 8785Td... making it Large Saucer +1.5 necks + 2 struts +3 nacelles +sec hull or about 19500Td total.

Shuttlecraft: same source. bounding box 2.448 x 4.312 x 6.928 = approx 73.13 kL - about 5.2 Td.the body is actually closer to 33 kL, the nacelles 0.4x5.3m are approx 0.67kL each, which gives a volume of about 35 kl - about 2.5Td... yes, more than half the bounding box is empty.
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What tech would Star Trek be at? 17 or 18?
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It is kinda a mix. MGT doesn't provide any new TL definitions for 16+, so I pulled out my trusty old TTB. In it, it gives:
TL 16: Disintegrators
TL 17: Anti-matter, self-aware robots
TL 18: Personal disintegrators.
MegaTraveller adds that White Globes are TL 20.

So, it just doesn't match up very well. Star Trek doesn't really have self-aware robots (prior to Data, who, with Lore, is virtually unique), but has force fields (aka White Globes). Given that phasers are essentially disintegrators, and that anti-matter is a mature technology, I would go with TL 18, for at least TOS and the movies. For TNG, DS9, and Voyager, I can see 19 or 20.
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What tech would Star Trek be at? 17 or 18?
It varies. Both by Ruleset and by area of tech.

Using MegaTraveller...
Personal Military: 19-20 Disintegrators
Heavy Military: 17-20 Disintegrators & White Globes
Computers/Robotics: 14-15 No true AI, but some emotion sim and pseudobiological robots.
Commo: 17-18 - Pocket holovideo, pocket meson comm
Env: 19 - Terraforming whole worlds, but no moving worlds.
Medical: TL 15. pretty firm... no brain transpalnts, nor memory transfer.
Transportation: TL19 Gravitics, Matter transport Regional range.
Space Transport: TL18 - Antimatter 1Mw/L, Mature Warp Drive at J6 Equivalent or faster.
Energy: 18 Antimatter

Using MGT, instead...
Armor TL14 - no evidence of Battle Dress.
Augments: TL16 by TNG, probably TL15 for TOS
Commo: TL13+ Due to limited AI.
Medical: looks to be TL15
Robots: TL15 but underused
Sensors: TL16 (combined functions of several TL15 handheld sensor types in the tricorder)
Weapons TL15+
Vehicles: TL16+
Starships: TL16 TOS, much higher for TNG+, due to Antimatter & shields, but can be as low as TL14 for early TOS for all other ship tech. Use Meson Gun as phasers.
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So, very roughly the same size as AHL, but much lower displacement.
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We'll see what MGT's take on this subject is when they release their Traveller version of Prime Directive, and their Star Fleet Universe version of A Call to Arms.
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So, very roughly the same size as AHL, but much lower displacement.
80% of the bounding box is empty space...
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