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Old June 18th, 2002, 05:57 PM
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Ok after all has been said and done, it looks like a page count change is due in the forthcoming T20-Traveller's Handbook release.

Rather than 320 pages, I have just placed the order for a hardbound, 448 page (16 pages of color), print-run.

This will obviously bump the cost up to $44.95 rather than the original $34.95, but we think you'll find it worth it. We just couldn't fit everything in with any lesser page count! Otherwise we would have had to start ripping out some of the core design stuff which we didn't think would be a good idea...

Keep an eye on the front page of the TravellerRPG.com site, as I will be announcing the opening of preorders in the next few hours. Those preordering will receive a discounted price, along with a free copy of Traveller's Aide #2. If you already have a subscription, we will add one extra copy to your remaining total of issues left.

Traveller's Aide #2 will be available on or before Jun 25.

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Old June 18th, 2002, 07:16 PM
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Well that's STILL only 10¢ a page... same as it was before. Not too bad; you just get more at once.
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Well that's STILL only 10¢ a page... same as it was before. Not too bad; you just get more at once.
Well it was a choice of a single book out ASAP, or splitting it into two seperate books and having a delay before part 2 was released because it would need additional material and layout to make it its own book.

Me, I prefer having a single book. Heh, this puppy will be the biggest Traveller book every produced!

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Well, it's big. But it is also over $40. Mind you, I have heard a lot of rants about pricing product at $40. Most of them are aimed at Wizards, whether it is the Forgotten Realms Campaign Sourcebook or the new Star Wars Revised Core Rulebook.

I have to be honest with you, that's a BIG gamble to put out a singular $45 RPG product, and it's not one of those limited edition with a fancy binding and cover.
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Well, it's big. But it is also over $40. Mind you, I have heard a lot of rants about pricing product at $40. Most of them are aimed at Wizards, whether it is the Forgotten Realms Campaign Sourcebook or the new Star Wars Revised Core Rulebook.

I have to be honest with you, that's a BIG gamble to put out a singular $45 RPG product, and it's not one of those limited edition with a fancy binding and cover.
It is less of a gamble than going broke...
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Well, it's big. But it is also over $40. Mind you, I have heard a lot of rants about pricing product at $40. Most of them are aimed at Wizards, whether it is the Forgotten Realms Campaign Sourcebook or the new Star Wars Revised Core Rulebook.
(My wife is looking over my shoulder as I type this saying "You want to spend how much on that stupid game?")

I'm sure I'm not the only one balking at the over $40 price. Granted it's only another $10, but the psycological barrier is still there, and no matter how much I try to tell myself it will be worth it I still have trouble with the idea of forking out that much at one time. It's also kept me from getting the reprint of the CT board games.

I hope this only affects a few of us and we get over the sticker shock when we look through the book and see it really is worth it (we hope )
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</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Reginald:
Well, it's big. But it is also over $40. Mind you, I have heard a lot of rants about pricing product at $40. Most of them are aimed at Wizards, whether it is the Forgotten Realms Campaign Sourcebook or the new Star Wars Revised Core Rulebook.
(My wife is looking over my shoulder as I type this saying "You want to spend how much on that stupid game?")

I'm sure I'm not the only one balking at the over $40 price. Granted it's only another $10, but the psycological barrier is still there, and no matter how much I try to tell myself it will be worth it I still have trouble with the idea of forking out that much at one time. It's also kept me from getting the reprint of the CT board games.

I hope this only affects a few of us and we get over the sticker shock when we look through the book and see it really is worth it (we hope )
</font>[/QUOTE]Heh, I balked at the price! But I have to do it. It may say $44.95 on the cover, but unfortunately we don't get anywhere near that from the distributors when the checks come in.

The preorder I will be opening later tonight will be priced at $36.00 along with a free issue of the Traveller's Aide PDF series (#2). This special deal will only be available until the actual release of T20.

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(My wife is looking over my shoulder as I type this saying "You want to spend how much on that stupid game?")

I'm sure I'm not the only one balking at the over $40 price. Granted it's only another $10, but the psycological barrier is still there, and no matter how much I try to tell myself it will be worth it I still have trouble with the idea of forking out that much at one time. It's also kept me from getting the reprint of the CT board games.

I hope this only affects a few of us and we get over the sticker shock when we look through the book and see it really is worth it (we hope )
I am, I hate to admit, one of those who are really balking at paying about $45 for a new version of Traveller. Heck, I have spent a lot more than that over the years on this game, but I have an aweful lot to show for it. I am just not sure I can justify the expense to "replace" a game system I like and I am comfortable playing.

I have not seen any of the T20 material, so the next comments are sheer gut reaction. I've played a number of D20 games, and I really can't honestly see how T20 is going to be a fun and exciting game for me. I cannot imagine what would make it so special that I would need to spend $45 to get the game.

Also, without having seen anything for this, it makes it really tough to preorder the game. I guess, in the long run, I need something more to convince me to spend my money here, and not somewhere else.
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The price sounds high but if you run the numbers, you will find that T20 gives you more for your money. I ran the numbers against some of the popular new releases (d20 and Sci-Fi) and against GURPS Traveller and the Classic Traveller reprints. In all cases, T20 is the best value!

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The price sounds high but if you run the numbers, you will find that T20 gives you more for your money. I ran the numbers against some of the popular new releases (d20 and Sci-Fi) and against GURPS Traveller and the Classic Traveller reprints. In all cases, T20 is the best value!

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Comparing T20 to Nobilis (a Game its publishers has admitted is partly produced in order to generate "Wow!" factor simply as a physical object - He has admitted to only have been half joking when he described it as "a coffee table RPG"!) is a bit disengenuous, but on the whole, for all I really shouldn't buy ANOTHER set of Traveller Rules as I have every rule set apart from GT; I love my hybrid CT / T4 / MT set up; I'm a d20 sceptic, most of the players round here aren't SF friendly unless it's Star Wars and I prefer a harder style to MTU... I _know_ I'm going to weaken and buy it, even if that $44.95 turns into £40 here in the UK *sigh*

Long term however, I do think you should consider carefully that for a _lot_ of gamers, two hits of $22.50 (£20) is _much_ more acceptable than one of $44.95. A single hardback is a great splash product to launch the line, but to really build sales you will need a way of drawing in the wider d20 crowd who probably are getting habituated to the $30 price-point for d20 games (Nobilis is quite definetly NOT a d20 game!!) although looking at your table, T20 is the most expensive d20 game yet (but d20 prices have been creeping up).

I'm rambling a bit, I'm sure you have probably considered all this, it's just as one of those whi _is_ going to fork out the cost, I'm saying ouch!

On more positive note, how long between the US release and it reaching the UK? Just so I can start saving, raiding the kids piggy-banks etc [img]smile.gif[/img]
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