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That would seem to be pretty heavy stuff for a ducted fan VTOL. It's not a very big one.
Perhaps, how many empty containers was it delivering?

On the other hand a post office delivery van only has a 7.5 ton load capacity ... so if the plane can carry as much as a UPS truck ... 7.5 tons x MCr 5 = MCr 37.5 ... not a bad days work. ... and if it can transport even one 20 ton container, that makes it a MCr 100 payday (which is about the payoff for stealing an entire starship with a normal cargo).
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That would seem to be pretty heavy stuff for a ducted fan VTOL. It's not a very big one.
Maybe they aren't trying for as big a load as you are moving w the ship. It doesn't take a whole lot of Lanthanum to be worth a whole lot of money.
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Perhaps, how many empty containers was it delivering?

On the other hand a post office delivery van only has a 7.5 ton load capacity ... so if the plane can carry as much as a UPS truck ... 7.5 tons x MCr 5 = MCr 37.5 ... not a bad days work. ... and if it can transport even one 20 ton container, that makes it a MCr 100 payday (which is about the payoff for stealing an entire starship with a normal cargo).
I think you are mixing dTons and mass-tons here... Lanthanum is Cr5M per dTon (volume, not mass), but the whole VTOL barely has 20dTons volume, and surely would not be able to take off w the mass of that amount of Lanthanum aboard.
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Given the fact that we are all linked via comms and could well be listening in on the general chatter, 'secret knowledge' is less of an issue than in a D&D Dungeon crawl.

Is there any reason why part of the group WOULD NOT want the rest of the group to know what was happening?

Max has an open comm (for anyone to hear what is happening around Max) unless told to shut it off [ship's crew comm frequency].

If Max suddenly finds himself in the middle of a firefight, he WANTS everyone to know and come running.
Yeah, Kalos did the same w his comm, putting it on open-mike. I was thinking more of visual, and of situations where someone might not be able to keep up a running chatter of what they are seeing and doing. Combat armor would have helmet-cams, but you don't have that here.

However, the main thing I had in mind was the inside group cueing the outside group as to activity at the south end of the building, and between someone finally remembering the VTOL, and Donoma's sensors picking up activity around it, that cat is well out of the bag.
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OOC moral and legal question ...

if the mine owner, and majority part owner in the Lanthanum on the ship, get's his darn fool head blown off, through no action or fault of ours ...

... does the crew, as minority part owner of the cargo, become the sole surviving owner of the cargo?

I was just trying to figure out if Nero's stubbornness is a good thing or a bad thing.
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but is instantly dropped with a brain boiled and cooked by a laser shot from Henry, who was just a bit to the north of the ramp keeping watch for Gayne.
As an interesting fact that I once read, a laser shot to the head will cause fluids to flash boil, but with no room to expand, the head would burst.

[Too graphic for the IC thread, but I thought that I would share with you.]
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OOC moral and legal question ...

if the mine owner, and majority part owner in the Lanthanum on the ship, get's his darn fool head blown off, through no action or fault of ours ...

... does the crew, as minority part owner of the cargo, become the sole surviving owner of the cargo?

I was just trying to figure out if Nero's stubbornness is a good thing or a bad thing.
Why on Earth or any other planet would Nero make the ship joint owners with right of survivorship over his stuff that they are shipping as freight?

He sold them 1/8 dTon of lanthanum. That now belongs to the ship. The rest is being shipped as freight, and still belongs to Nero's company.
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If we are transporting it at our expense to be paid from the profits after the sale, then we are investors and, potentially, partners. I did say that we were minority owners and Nero was the majority owner.

The serious point is that if Nero gets himself killed:
(not impossible given he is pushing ahead in a firefight)

Do we park on this world until his estate is settled and his successor can decide to honor our contract or not?

Do we take off with the cargo and finish our contracted obligations? Who does Nero's share belong to ... Nero is dead?
(I bet he wasn't planning on splitting the revenue from this cargo with the other firm that he is trying to avoid.)

Do we offload the cargo and declare "The Deal is Off", returning to the starport to look for another cargo?
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If we are transporting it at our expense to be paid from the profits after the sale, then we are investors and, potentially, partners. I did say that we were minority owners and Nero was the majority owner.
No. This is simply not true.

Please note, moderators, I am not playing the expert card here to ask anyone to stop talking, but...

There is a huge difference between being a joint owner w right of survivorship, and being hired to haul property belonging to someone else, even if your payment will be based on a percentage of profit. HUGE difference.

The ship has no ownership interest in the freight. Not "minority" interest. Nothing. None. Nada. Zero.

Argument could be made for a lien for expected payment, but that is a totally different thing.
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The serious point is that if Nero gets himself killed:
(not impossible given he is pushing ahead in a firefight)

Do we park on this world until his estate is settled and his successor can decide to honor our contract or not?

Do we take off with the cargo and finish our contracted obligations? Who does Nero's share belong to ... Nero is dead?
(I bet he wasn't planning on splitting the revenue from this cargo with the other firm that he is trying to avoid.)

Do we offload the cargo and declare "The Deal is Off", returning to the starport to look for another cargo?
If Nero dies: You were hired by Dresnik Mining Company to haul a load of freight to Nexus. Nero was CEO and 75% owner of DMC. If the ship hauls the freight, it goes into a warehouse at Nexus until someone with authority to sell it shows up. As for your payment in that situation, prepare for legal combat re liens etc.

If Nero dies: If the ship does not haul the freight, prepare for legal combat for breach of contract, as you agreed to haul this stuff to Nexus.

Best thing to do is hope Nero stays alive.

EDIT: careful, your horse is about to collide with the back end of your cart
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