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I don't see Tranian taking that role. I think the nobility and other in high positions would see him as a sycophant of Lucan. If Lucan were taken down, he would go with him.

I do agree that it would be an all or nothing grab for Dulinor. If his Coronation Fleet did not succeed, he could not head back home again and remain in power, specially since he did another pre-recorded event for release back home that he had won and taken Capital. He would have lost all credibility. If it was not that Virus controlled harvester, it would have been someone else who takes him out.

If Dulinor is to survive beyond 1130, either the Coronation Fleet has to win or it never went out against Lucan in the first place.

My preference would be that he does win, but he now has a shattered and suffering Imperium for the most part the result of what he did in 1116. He has to face the fact that his ideals helped to take out the lives he had the intent of making better.
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I don't see Tranian taking that role. I think the nobility and other in high positions would see him as a sycophant of Lucan. If Lucan were taken down, he would go with him.

I do agree that it would be an all or nothing grab for Dulinor. If his Coronation Fleet did not succeed, he could not head back home again and remain in power, specially since he did another pre-recorded event for release back home that he had won and taken Capital. He would have lost all credibility. If it was not that Virus controlled harvester, it would have been someone else who takes him out.

If Dulinor is to survive beyond 1130, either the Coronation Fleet has to win or it never went out against Lucan in the first place.

My preference would be that he does win, but he now has a shattered and suffering Imperium for the most part the result of what he did in 1116. He has to face the fact that his ideals helped to take out the lives he had the intent of making better.
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I don't see Tranian taking that role. I think the nobility and other in high positions would see him as a sycophant of Lucan. If Lucan were taken down, he would go with him.

I do agree that it would be an all or nothing grab for Dulinor. If his Coronation Fleet did not succeed, he could not head back home again and remain in power, specially since he did another pre-recorded event for release back home that he had won and taken Capital. He would have lost all credibility. If it was not that Virus controlled harvester, it would have been someone else who takes him out.

If Dulinor is to survive beyond 1130, either the Coronation Fleet has to win or it never went out against Lucan in the first place.

My preference would be that he does win, but he now has a shattered and suffering Imperium for the most part the result of what he did in 1116. He has to face the fact that his ideals helped to take out the lives he had the intent of making better.
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This thread has reminded me of an MT issue that was never really clear to me.

Specifically : IS CRAIG ACTUALLY A LIZARD ?
No. He's human.

In the folio "Arrival Vengeance: Final Odyssey" they have a picture of Duke Craig beside his stats. He's a human male. He's in one or two other illustrations as well, all as a human.

In one of the "April Fool's Day" issues of Challenge magazine, they have a 'book review' of a book by Duke Craig titled "I AM NOT A LIZZARD", so even then they were having some fun over the confusion caused by that picture in the sourcebook you referred to.
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Originally posted by Reg Redblade:
This thread has reminded me of an MT issue that was never really clear to me.

Specifically : IS CRAIG ACTUALLY A LIZARD ?
No. He's human.

In the folio "Arrival Vengeance: Final Odyssey" they have a picture of Duke Craig beside his stats. He's a human male. He's in one or two other illustrations as well, all as a human.

In one of the "April Fool's Day" issues of Challenge magazine, they have a 'book review' of a book by Duke Craig titled "I AM NOT A LIZZARD", so even then they were having some fun over the confusion caused by that picture in the sourcebook you referred to.
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Originally posted by Reg Redblade:
This thread has reminded me of an MT issue that was never really clear to me.

Specifically : IS CRAIG ACTUALLY A LIZARD ?
No. He's human.

In the folio "Arrival Vengeance: Final Odyssey" they have a picture of Duke Craig beside his stats. He's a human male. He's in one or two other illustrations as well, all as a human.

In one of the "April Fool's Day" issues of Challenge magazine, they have a 'book review' of a book by Duke Craig titled "I AM NOT A LIZZARD", so even then they were having some fun over the confusion caused by that picture in the sourcebook you referred to.
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The picture in the Daibei section of the Rebellion sourcebook clearly shows the symbol for Antares and probably represents those cigar chomping saurons in an early challenge issue.

The April Fool's reference actully highlighted the possible confusion to me as I had never paid the picture much attention other than thinking that the pic was a Vargr burns victim.
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The picture in the Daibei section of the Rebellion sourcebook clearly shows the symbol for Antares and probably represents those cigar chomping saurons in an early challenge issue.

The April Fool's reference actully highlighted the possible confusion to me as I had never paid the picture much attention other than thinking that the pic was a Vargr burns victim.
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The picture in the Daibei section of the Rebellion sourcebook clearly shows the symbol for Antares and probably represents those cigar chomping saurons in an early challenge issue.

The April Fool's reference actully highlighted the possible confusion to me as I had never paid the picture much attention other than thinking that the pic was a Vargr burns victim.
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Originally posted by Diocletian:
I don't see Tranian taking that role. I think the nobility and other in high positions would see him as a sycophant of Lucan. If Lucan were taken down, he would go with him.

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My preference would be that he does win, but he now has a shattered and suffering Imperium for the most part the result of what he did in 1116. He has to face the fact that his ideals helped to take out the lives he had the intent of making better.
On Tranian: taking him out is easier said than done. Even if Capital falls, he still would have Gateway Domain behind him, plus a bunch of surviving fleets.

On the other hand, not all remnants of Lucan's Imperium would rally to him. You would expect many to simply defect to Dulinor, while others would rally to Margaret. Some, not doubt, would flee into Antares and/or Lishun, and others would simply go home. It would depend on their location, their political views, and the likelihood of being punished by the victors.

Tranian certainly would be in an interesting situation post-Lucan. It seems unlikely that he would have approved of Lucan's less sane escapades, but he certainly would have trouble ducking responsibility for them. He wouldn't want to face a war crimes tribunal...

But on the other hand, all of the senior figures of Lucan's Imperium would have that problem. That would actually encourage them to coalesce around a moderate figure like Tranian (and we don't have any other named figures to use instead). Certain more radically sadistic figures are likely to be thrown to the wolves...

Incidentally, nobody has mentioned the K'kree incursions in this discussion yet. Personally I tended to read these as being relatively small scale, rather than yet another full scale invasion. That would be just too much for my tastes.

Still, the threat of such a thing could be significant in the post-Lucan settlement.
You need "Tranian the buffer against the K'kree" on your side more than you need to punish "Tranian the hated war criminal".

On Dulinor: I'm not particularly impressed by the "he has to face the fact that his ideals helped to take out the lives he had the intent of making better" argument. It's too much like "Hitler would have had to face the fact that his ideals helped to take out the lives he had the intent of making better".

Of course I've just suggested that Tranian the war criminal should be able to get away with his crimes, just like Margaret the war criminal and all the other war criminals. But Dulinor is something special. Dulinor caused it all.

Relying on Dulinor being a big baby whose pangs of conscience will somehow punish him for killing billions and billions of people is absurd. He's one of the greatest mass murderers in the whole of history, but it's OK because he feels bad about it? Feh.

Bring on the farm machinery.
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