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Question The Imperial Regalia?

So I am working on a post in my PbP game in which The Emperor has explained that He desires the character(s) to take out a dangerous neighbor. While I was writing this I remembered an instance where I described a believe a Royal Marine General as being the point of the spear used to pin the leaders of a rebellion to the wall with. Which got me thinking it would be cool (okay to me) to have some sort of Spear/Lance of State. It precedes The Emperor when the Imperium is engaged in actions that do not rise to the level of outright declared war (then the Sword of State is carried), but will involve Imperial Service Members being expose to harm. Perhaps it is hung with Ribbions blazoned with the hex and name of the worlds in question when a very public point is being made and some sort of grey cover when The Crown doesn't wish to declare as yet where the action is taking place, but does it desire it be known it is acting.

I have also been thinking about what sort of regalia a character receives with those snazzy titles. Which of course led me to wondering what the various other TUs might have as part of their various regalia.

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I don't deal much with royals, doing of my play in the hinterlands. A ducal signet ring is about as good as it gets out here.

Well, traditional Terran regalia include the crown, orb - representing the world, and scepter/staff/mace, representing might and authority (of the "I thwack you with my stick if you don't do what I say" variety, I suspect, though they became rather fragile for that as they got more fancy).

Others include: the cape (I've no idea what that's supposed to symbolize); the sword (of war, symbolizing the crown's martial power, and of justice, symbolizing the crown's power to mete out the high justice); spurs (indicating a knighthood, since the king was often chief warrior); the Seal of State. In Japan, one of their items of regalia is a mirror, representing wisdom (through self-reflection,perhaps?). In some equatorial countries, a fly whisk is among the regalia - I don't know what that symbolizes.

Roman Catholic religious regalia included the flail and crook, harking to more mundane roots and their responsibility to be shepherds of men.

Given a far future context, one item of future regalia to consider might be the briefcase, an item containing the codes and communications equipment by which the leader would launch a nuclear attack. The swords of war and justice may have been replaced by fine pistols.

You might also, since you're talking about the king handing something to someone, consider items of royal favor, rather than regalia: a ring, a handkerchief with the royal arms, the pen that signed your knighthood. The British used gorgets, a metal disk hanging below the neck that had evolved from neck armor into something purely decorative - you could restrict that to a certain class of honor-holder.

In a far future context of ceremonial violence, especially something "grey", you might consider a simple knife or a pistol, communicating a command to do some deed and return with it when you are done. The holder of the knife or wearer of the pistol would be entitled to the full support of the emperor's subjects, but the item would not give command authority - you could present it to the admiral and demand a ship to take you to planet X, but you would not have authority to order the ship to open fire on the planet.

In the context of the crown giving orders that it does not want publicly discussed but does want "known," you might consider a scroll with the orders in a color-coded scroll tube: red for some military action, black for some action involving stealth or black-ops, white for more mundane peaceful activities.
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A long while ago I did a lot of work on an adventure set on Knorbes for Milieu 1000. It's completely non-canon, of course, but I mentioned two heirlooms that (by implication) the Emperor gives to each of his nobles:
The player characters have all received invitations to call on Sir Warfrem Goris, an Imperial baronet and fairly highly placed member of the Duchy bureaucracy.

The baronet explains that his grandfather, Sir Sweinard Goris, was a younger son of the 12th Marquis of Knorbes. He was studying on Regina in 904 when a global war on Knorbes escalated to the use of biological weapons and the Imperium first quarantined and then interdicted that unhappy world. In the confusion that reigned at the time, the navy task force was unable to extract the marquis or any of his family. Sir Sweinard received an Imperial baronetcy and a generous stipend to go with it and settled down to make a new life on Regina.

Six months ago, the interdict of Knorbes was lifted, and Sir Warfrem wants to hire the group to find out what happened to his ancestor and the rest of the Knorbes branch of the family. He himself cannot go as his duties keep him on Regina for the foreseeable future.

In addition to information about the fate of his family, Sir Warfrem wants his agents to be on the lookout for his ancestor's badges of office: an iridium signet ring bearing the family coat of arms inside an Imperial starburst and a coronet bearing the same device. He explains that these items belong to the Emperor and are held in trust by the Goris family; in the absence of other family members it falls to Sir Warfrem to discharge that trust. He offers a sizable success-only bonus for the return of these items.
Since AFAIK nothing whatsoever is said in canon about badges of office, the ring and the coronet are at least canon-compatible.


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I was reading about the relics of the Church of the Chosen One, and there is an artifact that, well,
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Imperial (or lesser noble) regalia may not all be inert objects. Perhaps part of the regalia is some form of AI adviser, in the form of a book or data pad. It can be formed into almost anything, really, including a ring, coronet, badge.

Of course, when the Virus hits, that could prove interesting. [evil laugh]
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In some equatorial countries, a fly whisk is among the regalia - I don't know what that symbolizes.
I think that is likey a case of a practical item that became traditional. The monarch needed a fly swat, and a suitably ornate fly swat was made/given to him, sort of like the highly decorated fans used in some eastern countries.

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I don't deal much with royals, doing of my play in the hinterlands. A ducal signet ring is about as good as it gets out here.

Well, traditional Terran regalia include the crown, orb - representing the world, and scepter/staff/mace, representing might and authority (of the "I thwack you with my stick if you don't do what I say" variety, I suspect, though they became rather fragile for that as they got more fancy).
I have to ask: is thier any ideas as to what the Vlani emperors of the 1st imperium wore as regalia? it would be relevant, as both the 2nd and 3rd imperiums, claiming decent for the 1st, would likey incorporate parts of that regalia.

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Others include: the cape (I've no idea what that's supposed to symbolize); the sword (of war, symbolizing the crown's martial power, and of justice, symbolizing the crown's power to mete out the high justice); spurs (indicating a knighthood, since the king was often chief warrior); the Seal of State. In Japan, one of their items of regalia is a mirror, representing wisdom (through self-reflection,perhaps?).

the Cape, i believe, is another "ornate version of a practical item" job, and, as you point out for most of them, the items in question once had a clear-cut, practical role that was then assigned a symbolic role later on.

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Roman Catholic religious regalia included the flail and crook, harking to more mundane roots and their responsibility to be shepherds of men.

Given a far future context, one item of future regalia to consider might be the briefcase, an item containing the codes and communications equipment by which the leader would launch a nuclear attack. The swords of war and justice may have been replaced by fine pistols.
I quite like the idea of the nuclear football becoming a part of the regalia.

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You might also, since you're talking about the king handing something to someone, consider items of royal favor, rather than regalia: a ring, a handkerchief with the royal arms, the pen that signed your knighthood. The British used gorgets, a metal disk hanging below the neck that had evolved from neck armor into something purely decorative - you could restrict that to a certain class of honor-holder.

In a far future context of ceremonial violence, especially something "grey", you might consider a simple knife or a pistol, communicating a command to do some deed and return with it when you are done. The holder of the knife or wearer of the pistol would be entitled to the full support of the emperor's subjects, but the item would not give command authority - you could present it to the admiral and demand a ship to take you to planet X, but you would not have authority to order the ship to open fire on the planet.

In the context of the crown giving orders that it does not want publicly discussed but does want "known," you might consider a scroll with the orders in a color-coded scroll tube: red for some military action, black for some action involving stealth or black-ops, white for more mundane peaceful activities.
one option for the "item of royal favour" is a banner, such as a special variant of the Imperial symbol (the sunbust defaced with banner of Captial, perhaps? or maybe a stylized image of the Iridium Throne, showing that you speak for the occupant of that throne, or that you have come direct form the Captial).

or maybe a Helmet or other peice of armour or clothing, like a sash, or a Brassard.

or, to show that the actions are being done "at a layer removed" from the Throne, you could use the banner and devices of one of the emperors other, lesser titles, like the Archduke of Sylea, for example.

Thus, "The Emperor" is not taking offcial notice or action, but the archduke of Sylea, who happens to be the same person as the the Emperor, is exercising his duty as a Noble of the Imperium to futher the needs of the Imperium.
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I have also been thinking about what sort of regalia a character receives with those snazzy titles. Which of course led me to wondering what the various other TUs might have as part of their various regalia.
Hi,

I quite like Liz XX from Doctor Who with her twin blasters, cape and porcelain mask and in Julian May the 'Sword' and 'Spear' were photonic weapons.

But I think all Imperial High Nobility need some sort of crown/coronet/tiara incorporating a psi shield.

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You've got some great ideas here Carlobrand. I just want to chime in on a few.

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I don't deal much with royals, doing of my play in the hinterlands. A ducal signet ring is about as good as it gets out here.

Well, traditional Terran regalia include the crown, orb - representing the world, and scepter/staff/mace, representing might and authority (of the "I thwack you with my stick if you don't do what I say" variety, I suspect, though they became rather fragile for that as they got more fancy).
Orbs usually have a Christian cross on top denoting the sovereignty of God and the church and by inference the divine right of kings.

Scepters aren't just derived from maces but also rods of justice. The may be made of ivory or ash wood, denoting purity and mercy. Actual maces are often presented to cities by their kings to show that certain royal authorities are devolved on them by charter.

Also anything used in the coronation ceremony can be part of the regalia. For example the spoon and holy oil container for kings and queens of England.

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Others include: the cape (I've no idea what that's supposed to symbolize); the sword (of war, symbolizing the crown's martial power, and of justice, symbolizing the crown's power to mete out the high justice); spurs (indicating a knighthood, since the king was often chief warrior); the Seal of State. In Japan, one of their items of regalia is a mirror, representing wisdom (through self-reflection,perhaps?). In some equatorial countries, a fly whisk is among the regalia - I don't know what that symbolizes.
The cape is actually ermine. Originally this was the very expensive fur of a little mammal but in heraldry became stylized. It varies across Europe but you can tell things about rank and title from how it is displayed. I remember a certain peer entering the House of Lords during the opening of parliament ceremony in the UK explaining that the ermine he was wearing was bought by his dad in the 30's and he used it because it would be too expensive to replace and he only wore it once a year.

Swords of State are borne before a monarch. In Britain there are five. The jeweled sword used at the coronation, the great sword of state borne before the monarch at the opening of parliament, the sword of justice to spirituality, the sword of justice to temporality and the Curtana or sword of mercy (which is broken and blunt). Each has a meaning denoting the monarch's responsibilities as defender of the faith, kingdom and dispenser of justice.

Seals of State. Also known as sovereign seals. Usually kept by the Chancellor or chief minister or in a republic by the President or senior law officer. To explain it in the simplest way the seal symbolizes the power from which all law in a country is derived. For something to be legal or become law it must be done under the seal. The sovereign seal of Ireland for example comes in the form of a harp. Interestingly it is kept by the President of the Irish Republican Brotherhood, a secret organization responsible for the declaration of the Irish republic.... but thats another story. The President of Ireland and all ministers in the government each have seals of office which they afix to documents to give them the force of law. These seals of office all have at their center a harp identical to the sovereign seal. Each year a "turning of the seal" ceremony takes place to compare the seals of office to the sovereign seal. the seals are offered up to each other to ensure they match. this way everyone knows all laws, documents and licences are legal.

If you are ever brought up in court in Ireland look around the courtroom for a harp. That's an image of the sovereign seal denoting that the proceedings held under it have the force of law. If you don't see it, challenge the judge as to the legality of the hearing. I know the USA and each of its states have sovereign seals, is it possible to do similar there or in the Imperium I wonder?

One more Seal of state story. When Ireland was a separate kingdom with they English king as head of state, that king would send a viceroy to run things day to day. Like England, Ireland had a Great Seal of State that symbolized the King's power. Usually the Lord Chancellor had charge of the seal but in his absence it was kept by the Lord Chief Justices (the most senior judges or legal officers). Several times when disputes arose between the Viceroy and the parliament of Ireland the Lord Chief Justices refused to afix the seal to laws the Viceroy wanted to force through, effectively crippling his power.

Seals are powerful things.

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Roman Catholic religious regalia included the flail and crook, harking to more mundane roots and their responsibility to be shepherds of men.
And for the Pope there's the triple tiara, the ring of the fisherman and the stole with the pins in it representing wounds and nails.

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Given a far future context, one item of future regalia to consider might be the briefcase, an item containing the codes and communications equipment by which the leader would launch a nuclear attack.
I'll like this idea {steals it}
I think I'd give it an extra twist by implanting the nuclear "football" or its equivalent into the user and as we're talking regalia I'd make it semi-visible maybe the Emperor has a ruby set in his forehead about where the center of a diadem would be. This ruby is actually the IR or laser communicator which gives him access to the Imperial dooms day arsenal

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The British used gorgets, a metal disk hanging below the neck that had evolved from neck armor into something purely decorative - you could restrict that to a certain class of honor-holder.
Most European armies of the 19th century used the gorget and it does indeed come from medieval plate armour. All officers supplied themselves with a gorget, usually of a pattern and metal defined by the higher command or unit the officer belonged to. The practice was for the duty officer or officer of the day at a post to wear his gorget to show he was on duty so that a messanger entering the post could identify him easily. The Germans retained the gorget into the 20th century and certain NCOs wore it. I'm not sure if gorgets are associated with any sign of nobility or noble order but its certainly possible, especially for those serving duty in the Emperor's presence.

Collars (which look like a Mayor's chain of office) are associated with knightly orders. Most have a collar from which the badge of the order is suspended. Some have a star worn on the breast of a coat or uniform, ladies sometimes get a rather ornate ribbon on to which the badge of an order is pinned and worn like a brooch.


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In a far future context of ceremonial violence, especially something "grey", you might consider a simple knife or a pistol, communicating a command to do some deed and return with it when you are done. The holder of the knife or wearer of the pistol would be entitled to the full support of the emperor's subjects, but the item would not give command authority - you could present it to the admiral and demand a ship to take you to planet X, but you would not have authority to order the ship to open fire on the planet.
In heraldry a noble's arms (i.e. his shield with the "coat of arms") or banner was given to his agent to show that the agent acted as his proxy.

There's also the marshal's baton, a short ornamented stick denoting supreme authority over military forces.


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And for the Pope there's the triple tiara, the ring of the fisherman and the stole with the pins in it representing wounds and nails.
The Triple Tiara hasn't been used for the last 4 popes (JP I, JP II, B XVI, F); its symbolism was specifically as monarch of the Papal States, and since the last vestiges of same have been ceded to italy, during WWII, it's not appropriate. Paul VI refused to wear his following Vatican II.

The Ring of the Fisherman is unlike most in that it's actually the seal, and each is custom made only after the enthronement - each is unique, and each is destroyed upon the death of the pope.

The Pallium (it's not a stole) with its jewels isn't papal regalia, per se, as every archbishop gets one, and it isn't passed on, either - every archbishop or patriarch with one gets buried in it; it's a liturgical vestment, and clergy are buried ready for liturgy. Popes Benedict and Francis have returned to the large form for themselves, and allow archbishops to opt for the large form rather than the ring-and-tabs of the small roman form. Eastern Catholic Bishops (not just archbishops) have the omophorion (byzantine rite term - other rites use different terms), which is from the same prototypical garment.

The actual papal regalia are the white simar and zuchetto (which are given the moment the new pope accepts the election), the red shoes and the fisherman's ring (commissioned for use at the enthronement 2 weeks later), the keys to Castel Gandolfo, and the Papal Throne in St. Peter's Basilica.

The Pallium is a sign of being an Archbishop; the Crozier (shepherd's crook) is regalia of every bishop, as is a ring-seal with their personal arms; the liturgical miter is technically a crown (Eastern Rites' miters still match the traditional crowns of the various regions) and is a bishop's vestment.
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The Triple Tiara hasn't been used for the last 4 popes (JP I, JP II, B XVI, F); its symbolism was specifically as monarch of the Papal States, and since the last vestiges of same have been ceded to italy, during WWII, it's not appropriate. Paul VI refused to wear his following Vatican II.


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The Pallium is a sign of being an Archbishop; the Crozier (shepherd's crook) is regalia of every bishop, as is a ring-seal with their personal arms; the liturgical miter is technically a crown (Eastern Rites' miters still match the traditional crowns of the various regions) and is a bishop's vestment.
Thanks Aramis thats what I get for writing without reference materials to hand. But you've also reminded me of two things.

There have been many Papal Tiaras and twenty-two are still in existence and on display. The most famous Papal Tiara was made for the coronation of Gregory XVI in 1831/2 but contains jewels who's provenance can be traced to 562AD. Which brings me to a good point:

Many pieces of regalia and other artifacts contain famous jewels with their own history and/or pieces of older regalia remade into the new.


The mention of the personal arms of bishops reminds me that in place of a helmet in a knight's arms bishops, archbishops and cardinals get ecclesiastical hats. In style they are large brimmed with a low crown. The rules of heraldry give different colours and different numbers of knots on the hat cords for the various ranks, starting with six for a bishop
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Getting back to Magnus's original idea. The spear or standard borne in front of the Emperor brings to mind the Roman standard or Aquila. Not in usage but form. Its also suitably imperial. There's even a cool latin term for the guy who carries it; the Aquilifer, or eagle-bearer.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...man_aquila.jpg

You could make the eagle holographic or animatronic, each pose could signify the different degrees or state of war.
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