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Old September 24th, 2011, 12:57 AM
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I'm sorry you didn't like my rules, but this is just a game. So no need to take it so seriously.

And think of it this way: I had actually taken your advice to spend the time to make up my own rule. The rule is now a part of S&P, and I even got paid for it. So your advice worked, just a lot earlier than you expected!
Dislike your rules? Didn't mean to imply that, I don't even know what your rules are, friend. And congratulations! I just meant to express that by the time I get around to power consumption in a supertech environment with oodles of unknown scientific principles to muddy the waters my suspension of disbelief is already stretched to the point where that could well be one of the most plausible points.

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Heat?... handwave that away (pun intended) - what inquiring minds want to know - Where did all the hydrogen go!

Fusion changes it, but doesn't make all that matter go away!

(Guess the ships could be trailing a lot of Helium...)
Hah, now there is a question I like! =)
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Sorry for the resurrection but I found this thread and it got me thinking.

In T4, I got some interesting results.

Fusion plants:
TL 09-12, FC: 0.6% of Plant Size for 1 Week.
TL 13-14, FC: 0.6% of Plant Size for 1 Week. "Mass": 25% less
TL 15, FC: 1.2% of Plant Size. "Mass": 50% less.
TL 16, FC: 1.3% of Plant Size. "Mass": 75% less.

Heplar: FC: 2.5x Engine Size/hr. (probably *per G)

Any thoughts?

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Old April 25th, 2012, 12:09 PM
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Sorry for the resurrection but I found this thread and it got me thinking.

In T4, I got some interesting results.

Fusion plants:
TL 09-12, FC: 0.6% of Plant Size for 1 Week.
TL 13-14, FC: 0.6% of Plant Size for 1 Week. "Mass": 25% less
TL 15, FC: 1.2% of Plant Size. "Mass": 50% less.
TL 16, FC: 1.3% of Plant Size. "Mass": 75% less.

Heplar: FC: 2.5x Engine Size/hr. (probably *per G)

Any thoughts?

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That looks confusing especially since I have no context (haven't looked at T4's ship design method more than once, and that years ago).
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Except that you're ignoring that the ship has to eliminate X power in waste heat. All work ends up as waste heat.
... actually, not quite
It COULD be eliminated as sound and light as well
We know there is some support for 'jump flash' (SOM) but what about saying the waste is dissipated as massive amounts of sonic energy?

In TU space, no-one can hear you scream - because it's so bloody loud!
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What I did was look at F,F,&S II, I looked at the individual Fusion power plant list. I looked at how many MW a single unit could produce and how much fuel it consumed for the year. Then I looked at what percentage of fuel was needed per week of use. I took the density to see how much weight was saved.

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Heat?... handwave that away (pun intended) - what inquiring minds want to know - Where did all the hydrogen go!

Fusion changes it, but doesn't make all that matter go away!

(Guess the ships could be trailing a lot of Helium...)
I think we can take your two questions and make an answer: the helium is superheated with the waste heat and ejected from the ship. And at least on Navy ships it *has* to be ejected because the Navy is much to dignified to have its officers speak with high squeaky voices.

Now, if I had a sense of humor, which I don't, I would suggest something like the following:

The helium is fused all the way up to iron, which is used by the ship's robots to make the ship larger. When it gets large enough, the ship's robots make Type S ships and toss them to the Scouts.

See, isn't it better that I don't have a sense of humor?
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