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Then perhaps people should turn that pernicious thread on its head, and reverse the trend of negativity.

Invade and threadjack the thread. Bring the more positive aspects of MGT to light. Keep pressing the point, to refute the aggression of the minority of fussketeers.

These are threads, not kingdoms and fiefdoms to be broken and annexed like terrain in a war. They're threads. Information. The fussketeers don't own them. And they can be corrected if you assert your right as a member of the forum to post here about any aspect of MGT that you like, even if it offends them. You don't need their permission to discuss MGT. They're not the boss of you.

Show them that.
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Go actively thread-jacking, and you will get infractions. It's in the rules.
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Go actively thread-jacking, and you will get infractions. It's in the rules.
In the context being discussed, 'threadjacking' was more akin to retaking ground that the enemy had taken from you ... sort of 'threadjacking' a drifted topic back on topic.
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Is board-jacking in the rules too? If it is, perhaps you should do something about the people who don't like MGT and who can't stop telling people about how they don't like it on a board that was specifically set up (presumably) for constructive discussion of Mongoose Traveller.

I'm not saying that everyone needs to like MGT here, or even be positive about it all the time. What I don't like is that a handful of people seem to be devoting most of their time on CotI complaining about it and bashing it and telling other people that they're wrong to like it. And so many threads have been started here over this board's history that were intended from the start to be outlets for negativity, it's ridiculous (and those rants and tirades often spread to other threads too). It's completely unconstructive, tiresome, spiteful, annoying and unnecessary, and it's giving this board a really bad reputation everywhere else, and it's forcing people to just give up on this board too.

Instead of threatening people with infractions for trying to take this board back and turn it into something constructive, why don't you moderators do something about the overarching malaise here? Threaten the people who persistently drag this board down with their bitterness and cynicism, not the ones trying to drag it out of the sewers.

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Is board-jacking in the rules too? If it is, perhaps you should do something about the people who don't like MGT and who can't stop telling people about how they don't like it on a board that was specifically set up (presumably) for constructive discussion of Mongoose Traveller.

I'm not saying that everyone needs to like MGT here, or even be positive about it all the time. What I don't like is that a handful of people seem to be devoting most of their time on CotI complaining about it and bashing it and telling other people that they're wrong to like it. And so many threads have been started here over this board's history that were intended from the start to be outlets for negativity, it's ridiculous (and those rants and tirades often spread to other threads too). It's completely unconstructive, tiresome, spiteful, annoying and unnecessary, and it's giving this board a really bad reputation everywhere else, and it's forcing people to just give up on this board too.

Instead of threatening people with infractions for trying to take this board back and turn it into something constructive, why don't you moderators do something about the overarching malaise here? Threaten the people who persistently drag this board down with their bitterness and cynicism, not the ones trying to drag it out of the sewers.
read some of aramis' recent posts in this section. You'll see why this is unlikely to happen.

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read some of aramis' recent posts in this section. You'll see why this is unlikely to happen.
Yes, I notice that both Aramis and Andrew Boulton have openly admitted their dislike of MGT on this board several times. All that is going to do is undermine confidence in their impartiality as moderators. If their personal bias is getting in the way of making fair decisions about the tone and quality of discussion here, then nothing is going to change.

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And if we're talking about rules here, what about this one?

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* Trashing other forums, games, companies, or their products.
There seems to be very lax enforcement of this rule in this particular part of CotI. I charge that some individuals are intent on and have gotten away with repeatedly trashing MGT and Mongoose Traveller here, and that such actions are to the detriment of this community.
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If you see it, report it. Click the little caution triangle in the top right of the offending post. It's all you can and should do. Not retaliation, responding in kind, attacking, etc. It really is that simple. Community requires participation.

Just be sure it is a rule infraction and not just your bruised ego from seeing justified criticism of something you hold dear making it seem like more than it is.
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Thunderchild:

"Why pay more for less" was NEVER a SUPPORTIVE thread. It started from the question "Why should I buy Mgt when I already have MT/can get MT for less money" that was actually aimed at a specific poster in that thread, not "the public" and addressed him by "nick"

The more is MegaTraveller that is a more complete rules set (Base + most of HighGuard + Vehicle construction) and currently sells in a bundle with some MegaTraveller background stuff for less than an Mgt rules book alone.
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If you see it, report it. Click the little caution triangle in the top right of the offending post. It's all you can and should do. Not retaliation, responding in kind, attacking, etc. It really is that simple. Community requires participation.

Just be sure it is a rule infraction and not just your bruised ego from seeing justified criticism of something you hold dear making it seem like more than it is.
and how many times do we have to keep seeing the same "justified criticisms" over and over again, even in threads were such criticism is off-topic?

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