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Old April 14th, 2018, 02:26 AM
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I've often wondered why Counts and Viscounts are so often ignored when discussing the Imperial government or Nobility. Usually, people just talk about sub sector Dukes like their the only Imperial Nobles in the Sector. And it was my understanding that the County was the lowest level of Imperial government.

So why is the role of Counts and Counties so often ignored?
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Imperial government begins at the subsector level with the subsector duke.
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- on one world designated the subsector
capital. The ruling figure at the subsector capital is a high-ranking noble selected
by higher levels of government. This duke has a free hand in government, and is
subject only to broad guidelines from his superiors. But at the same time, the duke
owes fealty to the higher levels of government, ultimately to the Emperor himself.
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If that is true, then what role do Counts and Viscounts play INYTU?
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So why is the role of Counts and Counties so often ignored?

It's almost as if GDW forgot about them. They're right there in Book 1, but all the write-ups after that seemed to ignore them. You'd read about a title or two, but AFAIK there wasn't much about what they actually did.

IIRC, LKW included counts and viscounts in GT Nobles at Mr. Miller's direction and then provided some roles for them. In my settings, they work something like a vice-duke. They're tasked with handling groups of worlds which don't have marquises.
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If that is true, then what role do Counts and Viscounts play INYTU?
As I understand it, they act as Imperial representatives on the planets in their fiefs (and, BTW, so could be said about Barons and Marquis), without true execturive power (unless their office gives them it), but reporting to the subsector Duke.

OTOH, they are assumed to be in the subsector Imperial Counsel (or however is called the advisory body for the Duke, akin of a local moot), and, according some sources, this noblity forms the body of the Imperial infrastructure (as the MoJ, to give you an example).
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Not everything in 77 CT made it into the 3I setting...

Imperial nobles below the rank of duke have no authority, local world leaders may treat them as ambassadors to the duke, or they may own land on those worlds that effectively makes them Imperial territory on a world run by a different government.

I tend to link lower nobles with Imperial starports.

My personal view is that the closer you get to the Imperial core sectors you get the more worlds are owned by the Imperium and hence the lower ranks of nobles may have considerable estates, but on the frontier as represented by the Spinward Marches local world autonomy is a given - although the Imperium is moving for more direct rule of certain systems. Worlds settled by the ministry of colonisation are likely to be owned by the imperium
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The hierarchy isn't that well organized.

Could be the heirs apparent to local duke, getting some practical experience in governing, much like the Prince of Spacewales.
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So why is the role of Counts and Counties so often ignored?
because players want to feel important and so take their characters straight to the top.

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what role do Counts and Viscounts play INYTU?
barons are the imperium on any world. viscounts are the imperium on any j1-capable world, counts on any j2-3-capable world, marquis' on any j4+ world, dukes sectors - I have no subsectors. thus "the spinward marches". knights and squires run support services and lesser stations.

comodore is ss13 minimum, rear admiral ss14 minimum, etc.

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(slaps forehead) excellent observation, should have been obvious. there's no way it could be well-organized.
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I have no subsectors.
Interesting change. Lots to be said for it. But what then is the "subsector navy" IYTU? Is it a Marquis' navy? Or is it the reserves in that sector? Something else?
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what role do Counts and Viscounts play INYTU?
Assuming we are talking about the Landed nobility, or what GT called "High" nobles, the explicit task of all nobles from Baron up is the economic development of their territory, as implied by T5 (which assigns those below Duke on the basis of certain trade codes as a short hand for stages of development). Landed Counts and Viscounts are powerful people, despite not having much direct pull with the Navy, as they are landlords across large swaths of multiple worlds. What they choose to do with that land is up to them, but their stewardship is also their resume' for the next step up, should a Duke need replacing.

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because players want to feel important and so take their characters straight to the top.
That's what the other types of nobles are for. Sector and Subsector Dukes have little time for gallivanting, except under extraordinary circumstances, but the retired Chairman of the Subsector Reserve Bank, or a former Sector Fleet Castellan, or just some shmuck who's family have had the rank but no real position for several generations? Those guys are PC material.

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barons are the imperium on any world.
Note that Marc changed this with T5. There is now an assigned Knight on every member world that isn't interdicted or barren, while Barons are assigned to worlds with a bit more potential. You can see it in the sector listings resident at Traveller Map.
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