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Has anyone ever toyed with the idea that Lucan wasn't a mustache twirling pantomime villain, but was a legitimate heir and eventually won the rebellion?
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Has anyone ever toyed with the idea that Lucan wasn't a mustache twirling pantomime villain, but was a legitimate heir and eventually won the rebellion?
Then he wouldn't be Lucan, he'd be someone else.

Okay, smart@ss mode off.

IMTU, Lucan did kill his older brother. He actually did it for the good of the Imperium - IMTU Varian was an egotistical sociopath, the kind of guy who hung around with a group of his cronies partying all the time. However, the guy was good looking, with that intense aura of mystery and danger that sociopaths often have that's like catnip for many women. On the day of the assassination, the brothers were indeed arguing because Lucan's girlfriend (Lila I think her name was) was leaving him for Varian. This wasn't the first time it happened and these girls had a distressing habit of "disappearing" once Varian was bored with them. Lucan had never spoken up about it (or really looked into it because he was afraid he knew what had happened to them) because despite everything, the guy was his brother. Yes, Lucan had an awful reputation as being a brat, but that was because Varian, in the way many sociopaths are could lie without triggering a lie detector test, he cheated, did things and masterfully implied the blame was Lucan's (then of course played the part of the gracious "older" brother to "vouch" for Lucan in front of others to look like the shining prince).

When they heard about the assassination of the entire imperial family, Lucan pretty quickly figured out what that meant, only to look over at his brother to realize Varian had realized it even earlier. Varian had this particular greedy, feral gleam in his eye and whispered to himself, "You know, traitors need to be punished. I think Dlan on should be killed for this. And you know, Illeish too, for not noticing it. You know, in the old way, I'll send in the Imperial Guard and have them do it by hand. Nobody will ever dare do anything like this again, not like they did to Uncle Strephon, the weakling. Though maybe not Isis..."

Lucan was realizing with horror what was about to happen to the Imperium under Varian, when Windhook and the others came in and the assassin revealed himself. Varian managed to shoot the guard down with his personal sidearm. Varian was buttering up Windhook, promising him promotions and so on. Windhook was the only survivor besides the two brothers and Varian's girlfriend.

That's when Lucan picked up the SMG and shot Varian. Then he realized that neither Lila or Windhook could be trusted with this knowledge, so he killed Lila, but Windhook did indeed get away.

Lucan started out trying to be pretty reasonable and tried pretty hard to be a good Emperor. The reason for his private coronation was that he knew that Dulinor had fled to his seat of power in Illiesh - the Imperium could ill-afford to waste time with the proper grand coronations and so on. He originally intended to bring a swift victory to the war, then find a worthy successor (he'd tagged Margaret, actually) then abdicate and admit his crimes and face justice. However, when the Moot told him that was illegal and that the Moot had to "study" the legality of what Dulinor had done and that they'd send envoys as a "fact finding mission" to Dulinor's faction to see what was going on, Lucan dissolved the Moot for a year as he had to concentrate on the war.

He initially started out listening to his admirals and other policy types. However, when he listed to these high officers and ministers, they kept losing. Every week, he'd see these reports of fleets getting wiped out, rolls of thousands of names of the dead. Worse yet, so many kept defecting to Dulinor or quietly leaving their posts to return to their home territories instead of uniting in what was the Imperium's darkest hours.

It was only once the war ground into its fifth year, parts of the Imperium kept breaking away, Dulinor kept winning, and so on that Lucan really started sacking the incompetents en masse (which he was seeing everywhere now) to bring in the "results oriented" commanders.

So IMTU, Lucan doesn't start as a twitchy villain type. But he does end as one, growing paranoid and extremist by events as well as the guilt of killing in cold blood to ensure the future of the Imperium (that it was falling apart despite his best efforts made things even worse - he had killed in cold blood for no reason).

That there was a fifth column organization devoted to "justice" called the Brothers of Varian brought Lucan to privately laugh until he cried.
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Wounded Colossus was the work of Bill Cameron not Don M.

Here is the freelancetraveller version of it:

http://www.freelancetraveller.com/fe...oads/woco.html
Mike, thanks for the correction and the link.

I found it on Don's web page and forgot it was Bill's work.

Don was scrupulous about giving credit where it belonged and I should have been the same.
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The Solomani front is the one I can accept the easiest, once the Solomani see the internal struggle in the 3I, but the fact they were so easily stopped so short of their goals with the IN quarreling among themselves puzzles me, to say the least
In one hypothetical variant I had in mind, called Sol Invictus, the Solomani steamrolled across the Imperial border once Imperial presence was greatly weakened by the Civil War. They liberated Terra within a few months and eventually re-captured the old Solomani Sphere. They did stop a bit further Coreward as their forces began to be spread thin. Solomani occupation of Imperial worlds varied with the officer in charge of the given planet, from business as usual to war crimes. With forces spread thin, the Party and Solsec had a hard time maintaining uniformity of local policy.

The open question is how the Aslan would react to Solomani naval assets being reassigned from the Dark Nebula border to the Coreward front...
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The open question is how the Aslan would react to Solomani naval assets being reassigned from the Dark Nebula border to the Coreward front...
That's been addressed in canon - IIRC, no official reaction; unofficially, Ihaiti are "invited" to take over the spinward worlds the Confederation "liberates" from the 3I but outside the Solomani Sphere.
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That's been addressed in canon - IIRC, no official reaction; unofficially, Ihaiti are "invited" to take over the spinward worlds the Confederation "liberates" from the 3I but outside the Solomani Sphere.
So, a Solomani-Aslan treaty... I like that.
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...So IMTU, Lucan doesn't start as a twitchy villain type. But he does end as one, growing paranoid and extremist by events as well as the guilt of killing in cold blood to ensure the future of the Imperium (that it was falling apart despite his best efforts made things even worse - he had killed in cold blood for no reason).

That there was a fifth column organization devoted to "justice" called the Brothers of Varian brought Lucan to privately laugh until he cried.
That could work. The road to hell is paved with good intentions and all that. This sort of explanation also makes Lucan less of a car4toonish villain. The whole question of how he maintained the legitimacy to lead the remnants of the 3I was something we often chewed over.

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So, a Solomani-Aslan treaty... I like that.
This is a straightforward Occam's Razor-ish solution. War is an abysmal occurrence so it makes sense that parties not consumed by the insanity of a civil war would try to limit the risk of conflict.
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I think the problem with the Rebellion was that it strained credulity, too many implausible things happened.

Dulinor manages to take down the entire Imperial family and escapes.

Varian turns up dead under questionable circumstances.

The Vargr are easily united by a media construct when no one in their history could ever come close to doing the same thing.

Numerous long loyal sectors declare independence because they don't trust Lucan. Mainly because of how he (mis)handled the impossible Vargr.

And perhaps biggest of all, out of nowhere the Imperium is so fragile that it flies apart. Even though it survived a period when Imperial assassination was not at all unusual.
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I think the problem with the Rebellion was that it strained credulity, too many implausible things happened.

Dulinor manages to take down the entire Imperial family and escapes.

Varian turns up dead under questionable circumstances.

The Vargr are easily united by a media construct when no one in their history could ever come close to doing the same thing.

Numerous long loyal sectors declare independence because they don't trust Lucan. Mainly because of how he (mis)handled the impossible Vargr.

And perhaps biggest of all, out of nowhere the Imperium is so fragile that it flies apart. Even though it survived a period when Imperial assassination was not at all unusual.
It does seem implausible when you put it all that way.

Maybe...


Dulinor assassinates Strephon and Iolanthe but is himself killed in the throne room.

Ciceneia Iphegenia escapes the assassination attempt, wounded but alive.
Dulinor's men are all killed or captured.

Now it's Isis Alethian leading the Second Iliesh Revolt against her former friend, Ciencia.

The Iliesh rebels are in a bad position without outside help. So Isis allies with the Solomani Confederation and various Aslan ihaetai.

The Zhodani see what's going on and then decide to renew pressure on the Imperium along their border...

NOTE Forgive my typos. A lot of made-up words in this post.
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