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Old September 13th, 2007, 12:01 AM
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A short while ago, I reviewed most of the "buzz" on the interwebz and sought out which version of Traveller was best. I heard good things about GURPS Traveller, but detail and physical accuracy of my game universe was a major issue for me, so I eventually hunted down and bought some digital PDF reprints of the MegaTraveller books -- specifically, COACC, Referee's Manual, Player's Manual, Fighting Ships of the Third Imperium, Referee's Companion, and Imperial Encyclopedia.

However, if I'm correct in my awareness of the political things surrounding the MegaTraveller copyrights, there's a bit of an issue that's bothering me. I really, really, really want to get my hands on the World Builder's Handbook, but I'm not willing to buy the $80 copy that someone was offering somewhere (even if that is the book's actual "rarity" value, I don't tend to respect collectability), and since it's a Digest Group Publication whose copyright is owned wholly by a guy who seems to have disappeared from the internet for 11+ years, I'm effectively skullboned, mouthboned, and buttboned all at the same time.


So, I came up with an interesting idea: if I were to buy digital copies of Classic Traveller's Grand Census and Grand Survey, is there anyone around here who owns World Builder's Handbook that could come up with a set of "errata" and "addenda" which could be used to "upconvert" those two books to the WBH?

As far as I know, such errata and changes would themselves not be infringement of copyright, since they don't constitute a reproduction of a product nor do they infringe on the existing saleability of the World Builder's Handbook (i.e., the copyright holder is not financially affected because the WBH is not in distribution and is only being sold as a collectible). Granted, I'm not a lawyer, but I think it's a fair technicality. =)

Is there anyone around who might be willing to take on the task?

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Old September 13th, 2007, 03:30 AM
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Grand Census and Grand Survey have the same owner... and the same issues...
if I understand the situation.

If either is released digitally, I'd be willing to bet it's NOT legit.
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Old September 13th, 2007, 05:53 AM
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How much of World Tamers Handbook for TNE is taken from World Builders Handbook?

Not an ideal solution for MT players, but it might be a lot cheaper and give you the bits you need.
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$80? Wow, somebody got a deal! The last one I saw went for $100 on eBay. Seems there ought to be someway 'round this....
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$80? Wow, somebody got a deal! The last one I saw went for $100 on eBay. Seems there ought to be someway 'round this....
....hehehe! Only paid £ 35/$ 70 for mine, including S&H Same with my Rats & Cats, Dogs & Cogs, SOM.

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Would the item be part of the CD-Rom ?
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Would the item be part of the CD-Rom ?
My guess is no, since the material isn't owned by Far Future but rather a 3rd party.

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To be more specific...

World Builder's Handbook, Grand Census and Grand Survey are owned by Roger Sanger, as are all the other DGP-held copyrights. (Note that MTJ has a different copyright notice from the other DGP stuff.)

Roger is a bit odd. He's unable to use the materials at the moment, since he won't meet Marc Miller's requirements for license, and won't sell them, since he thinks them worth about 2 figures more than they are. Further, Roger is pretty much all ideas and no followthrough.

So, if he's put (or allowed to be put) up or reprinted the GS, GC, or WBH, then MWM has grounds to sue him.

As to TNE's WTH: it's essentially unrelated. It's an economic model for colonies, and rules for building and running colonies.
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I will go out on a limb here and suggest that a new version of the same concept, not Worldbuilder's with the serial numbers filed off but actually new, would make an excellent OGL product in a few months time.
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Grand Census and Grand Survey have the same owner... and the same issues...
if I understand the situation.

If either is released digitally, I'd be willing to bet it's NOT legit.
I could've sworn I had seen digital copies, but turns out I was misled: what was available was First Survey. Well, there goes another option. Bah.

I suppose I could invent my own ruleset based on what I can glean from Heaven & Earth... =P
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