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Old September 15th, 2020, 09:42 PM
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Lack of regulation and the ideal that America was the land of opportunity. That one could try anything and see if it would fly. Like the Wright Brothers actually did. They didn't ask permission, and neither had a pilot's license.
A lack of regulation ended relatively soon after the Brothers' flights...

In fact, a period prior was busting monopolies and increasing regulations. If they'd been 20 years later, they'd have been much more rigidly subjected.

The CAA was 35 years after the Wrights' first flight... and made testing of designs much more restricted for flight. But it was one of dozens of federal regulators cropping up after the great depression.

And yet, the ever increasing regulation hasn't stopped, nor has innovation. Therefore, while it may have been a factor, it's not a causal factor.
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I'd say that state-led development and public investments in improvements have been important factors in the US, as in Europe and Russia. The US has had plenty of development directed or run by government, from the Erie Canal to Internet.
Not to mention the space program.
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US Industrial Revolution edges included:

vast natural resources

geographically huge customs union ( ability to erect protective tariffs , thus favoring domestic manufactures, but free flow of trade internally which helped build national prosperity)

cotton

relatively many schools and universities, with land grant schools after the ACW


immigration
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To bring it back to the OTU, the Imperium operates infrastructure that is closely tied to the tech level of member worlds: starports. The better the starport, the bigger a bonus on the TL table.

Were most starport actually built by the Imperium? Megacorps? Nobles? Are they granted as fiefs? My small OTU collection doesn't really answer this question in much detail.
I defer to the lore-mastery of you guys who know the official setting well.
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Were most starport actually built by the Imperium? Megacorps? Nobles? Are they granted as fiefs?
AN Imperium is pretty likely within the original boundaries, though some of the oldest ports would predate even the First. And yes, megacorps probably did the actual construction in a lot of cases.

As for Nobles... not really. The Imperial Port on a world is essentially the Emperor's, as is a lot of territory around it, at least ideally. A lot of worlds aren't "ideal".
As explained to me, each world ceded a certain amount of territory (not always dry land) to the Imperium when it joined. The specific amount varies in practice, but from that Grant the Imperial Starport and all Noble fiefs are further defined. Nobles who make a lot of money may expand their holdings beyond the Imperial Grant, and may be handed more of the Imperial Grant to manage if they get a promotion. The Port itself is not technically part of that, though nobles often end up "managing" it anyway.
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1. Naturally occurring obsidian glass was used by Stone Age societies as it fractures along very sharp edges, making it ideal for cutting tools and weapons.[20][21] Glassmaking dates back to at least 6000 years, long before humans had discovered how to smelt iron.[20] Archaeological evidence suggests that the first true synthetic glass was made in Lebanon and the coastal north Syria, Mesopotamia or ancient Egypt.[22][23] The earliest known glass objects, of the mid-third millennium BCE, were beads, perhaps initially created as accidental by-products of metalworking (slags) or during the production of faience, a pre-glass vitreous material made by a process similar to glazing.[24] Early glass was rarely transparent and often contained impurities and imperfections,[20] and is technically faience rather than true glass, which did not appear until 15th century BC.[25] However, red-orange glass beads excavated from the Indus Valley Civilization dated before 1700 BC (possibly as early as 1900 BC) predate sustained glass production, which appeared around 1600 in Mesopotamia and 1500 in Egypt.[26][27] During the Late Bronze Age there was a rapid growth in glassmaking technology in Egypt and Western Asia.[22] Archaeological finds from this period include coloured glass ingots, vessels, and beads.[22][28] Much early glass production relied on grinding techniques borrowed from stoneworking, such as grinding and carving glass in a cold state.[29]

I might be generalizing and stereotyping, but the (ancient) Chinese seem more the touchy feely type, especially when you compare medical practices; also, not quite sure if they ever thought long and hard about atomic theory.

2. Inventing something, or improving it, is one thing; profitting from it is another. Warfare is very Darwinistic, existentially so, so patents and intellectual property rights usually go out the window, with exceptions like licensing stuff like Bofors or Oerlikons. It's usually during these periods that innovations proliferate, and currently, there's a Cold War amongst our megacorporations.

3.The Imperium could have applied debt trap diplomacy to finance building of local starports, but I'm inclined to discount that, since it probably was very clear from the very beginning that they have an agency that would run the place. It's possible that after expenses, it could be in private ownership and net profits flow to those entities, which leaves the question, what happens if it's operating at a loss?

4. It comes down to an existing (or easily built up) industrial base, with access to energy and resources, like a trained workforce. Access to resources could mean having a military machine or by diplomatic means that ensure access to said resources, if they aren't locally available.

5. Ease of commerce and regulatory hurdles.

6. Security.
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Not of need true - freeze distillation can be done with no tech higher than a large bowl... if you live in a sufficiently cold climate.
There are some funny anecdotes of moose eating fermented "hard cider" apples fallen from the trees, and getting drunk.

Me thinks you don't want a drunk moose in your back yard.
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There are some funny anecdotes of moose eating fermented "hard cider" apples fallen from the trees, and getting drunk.

Me thinks you don't want a drunk moose in your back yard.
You really don't want a sober one there, either. They're big, stupid, and mean. Not to mention possessing the ability to kill an adult human in a single kick or gore. And the deadliest animal in North America.
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You really don't want a sober one there, either. They're big, stupid, and mean. Not to mention possessing the ability to kill an adult human in a single kick or gore. And the deadliest animal in North America.

Uplifted meese...
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Uplifted meese...
...and flying squirrels.
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