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Old May 21st, 2020, 09:21 AM
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Default FFW (CT/MT): Zhodani equivalent to the Hind-D concept?

It occurred to me that during the Fifth Frontier War, the Zhodani invaded a fair number of worlds; they would need craft capable of dropping troops from place to place, which would also need to be capable of both exo- and inter-atmospheric operations, moving small numbers of troops, engaging enemy forces, dominating the ground-side battlefield, and resupply.

The Soviet-era Hind-D (Mi-25 series) did all of this (barring the exo-atmospherics, dammit!).

It seems to me that a partial job can be done with the existing Ships Boat design, but lacking the extensive armament; so how the hell do we make, within the rules of CT and MT, a Hind-D-like craft that can do the small boat thing with the 8-troop capability and MAHOOSIVE armament (missiles, guns, bombs, etc) thing, in under 100 (preferably 50) tons, too?

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Depends on which edition's ship design system you use.

Other than that, helicopters correspond closest with gravitational lifter propulsion.
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I actually prefer the rules set for MT, with the CT setting, so MT rules for ship/craft construction are likely the best option here.

As to propulsion, yes, a gravitic or manoeuvre drive craft seems best suited to the purpose.
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Not sure if the assault cutter is within those bounds. From the GURPS Cutter book (and sorry, this is a copy/paste from the PDF so may have interesting typos. Fairly certain that this snippet is within fair use, if not, let me know!)

LOWALAA-CLASS 50-TON ASSAULT CUTTER (TL12) While several cutter modules are intended for use in ground combat, evaluation of their performance showed that the survival rate of the standard cutter was sub-optimal. When the Imperial Marines began to explore the possibility of using cutters in military operations, LSP promptly developed a modern, heavily armored version of the standard 20-ton hull more suited to the needs of the military. As this design incorporates many military-grade components, a special license is required to purchase the craft. Needless to say, the improved performance of the LSP/CA-50 assault cutter in combat situations has prompted many mercenaries (particularly those equipped with Broadsword-class cruisers) to apply for the license. The assault cutter has a crew of pilot and gunner. It features a sealed body, total compartmentalization, basic stealth, and basic emission cloaking; an extra-heavy frame for its hull; and a single intrinsic coupling with explosive bolts for a 30-dtonmodule weighing up to 720 standard tons.
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Not the default modular cutter.

Hundred and under tonnes, arguably under two hundred, one single hard point; Mongoose Second thirty five tonnes, two firmpoints, probably optimum, with enough space for a squad.
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Waitaminute.... COACC. Written and published by GDW as an MT supplement, and still Canon for MT. I have a copy in storage, but didn't it have design rules for air/orbital craft in it?

Ah, cancel that thought, inter-atmospherics only. Pity.
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So, back to main rules, yeah, the hardpoint rule is a pain. Can't even mount additional racks, afaics.

Is FF&S (TNE) backwards compatible to MT?
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Not necessarily, since you could have a five tonne spacecraft be equipped with a full hardpoint.
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Basic small assault boat:
Two man crew, 10 passengers or 5 Dton cargo.
Agility 6, heavy armour
One turret, 1.5 Dton free for other armaments.
Code:
GA-0206A01-E30000-20002-0       MCr 30,1          25 Dton
bearing     1     1   1                            Crew=2
batteries   1     1   1                             TL=14
                        Cargo=1 Fuel=2,5 EP=2,5 Agility=6

Dual Occupancy                                      1,5      30,1
                                     USP    #     Dton       Cost
Hull, Streamlined   Custom             0           25            
Configuration       Cone               2                      2,8
Armour              14                 E            3,8       6,4
                                                                 
Manoeuvre D                            6    1       4,3       2,1
Power Plant                           10    1       5        15  
Fuel, #J, #weeks    J-0, 4 weeks                    2,5          
                                                                 
Bridge                                                           
Computer            m/1                0    1       1         2  
                                                                 
Couch                                      12       6         0,3
                                                                 
Cargo                                               1,5          
                                                                 
Mixed Turret        Full                    1       1            
  Weapon            Missile            2    1                 0,8
  Weapon            Pulse              2    1                 0,5
  Weapon            Sand               3    1                 0,3
                                                                 
Nominal Cost        MCr 30,05            Sum:       1,5      30,1
Class Cost          MCr  6,31           Valid      ≥0          ≥0
Ship Cost           MCr 24,04
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Heavy assault boat
Two man crew, 25 passengers, 12.5 Dton cargo, or a grav tank.
Agility 6, heavy armour
One turret with a fusion gun, 2.5 Dton free for other armaments.
Code:
KA-0206A01-E00000-05002-0       MCr 57,9          50 Dton
bearing            1  1                            Crew=2
batteries          1  1                             TL=14
                            Cargo=2 Fuel=5 EP=5 Agility=6

Dual Occupancy                                      2,5      57,9
                                     USP    #     Dton       Cost
Hull, Streamlined   Custom             0           50            
Configuration       Cone               2                      5,5
Armour              14                 E            7,5      12,8
                                                                 
Manoeuvre D                            6    1       8,5       4,3
Power Plant                           10    1      10        30  
Fuel, #J, #weeks    J-0, 4 weeks                    5            
                                                                 
Bridge                                                           
Computer            m/1                0    1       1         2  
                                                                 
Couch                                      27      13,5       0,7
                                                                 
Cargo                                               2,5          
                                                                 
Mixed Turret        Full                    1       2            
  Weapon            Missile            2    1                 0,8
  Weapon            Fusion             5    1                 2  
                                                                 
Nominal Cost        MCr 57,93            Sum:       2,5      57,9
Class Cost          MCr 12,16           Valid      ≥0          ≥0
Ship Cost           MCr 46,34
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