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It's quite dependent on the chosen design system, most require lots of space per person. 1.5 m leg room is quite generous, like an airliner with every other seat row removed.
True; and given that this is modelled on the Hind-D, with back-to-back sideways-facing seating, it should work well

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If we pack in people maximally, I think 1 human / m is reasonable even with vacc suit or armour. Won't leave much room to move around though. I've certainly been on military transports that packs in people much tighter for short trips.
That too (pokey and cramped conditions). Think Puma Helos, hell the Westland Scout too
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Version 1;

1dt of troop seating, seats 16 in Zhodani Trooper model combat armour.



Note back-to-back rows, two seats per 1.5m2 square, seeat bases fold up out of the way when no-one is sitting in the seat.

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That is quite palatial compared to a Hind.

The passenger compartment of a Hind seems to be about 3 m L 1.7 m W 1.4 m H ≈ 7 m, so roughly two squares long, one square wide, and one square high for a total of 0.5 Dt.

Data estimated from:
https://drawingdatabase.com/wp-conte...4_hind_ch1.png
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The Meriman-C has a passenger + cargo compartment of 69 m, about ten times the Hind.

With a deck height of 2 m, that would be a floor area of 34.5 m. Each square is 1.5 m 1.5 m = 2,25 m. The floor area is 34.5 m / 2.25 m ≈ 15 squares.


Something like (basic seating):
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That is quite palatial compared to a Hind.

The passenger compartment of a Hind seems to be about 3 m L 1.7 m W 1.4 m H ≈ 7 m, so roughly two squares long, one square wide, and one square high for a total of 0.5 Dt.

Data estimated from:
https://drawingdatabase.com/wp-conte...4_hind_ch1.png
Good find on the diagram - I wouldn't have found that, most likely!

Wow, that's a tighter space than my wallet :O
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The Meriman-C has a passenger + cargo compartment of 69 m, about ten times the Hind.
Strewth, I'd not clocked that there was that much difference :O

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With a deck height of 2 m, that would be a floor area of 34.5 m. Each square is 1.5 m 1.5 m = 2,25 m. The floor area is 34.5 m / 2.25 m ≈ 15 squares.
I'll be keeping the 3m deck height, purely for ease of use; the cargo area is a HELL of a lot larger than I'd previously visualised. This gives me some ideas, too.

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Something like (basic seating):
Hmm. Interesting. More ideas coming

BTW - your diagram is a darn sight clearer than mine Nicely done

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I'm still having a hard time reconciling the crew station figures here.

pp82 of the MT Referee's Manual states:

The MegaTraveller ship/vehicle construction rules on pp.82 of the Referee's manual, states in step 6:

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"6 Vehicle Crew Accommodations

Allocate vehicle crew positions

CREW POSITIONS
Access       Pwr     Vol      Weight      Price
-----------------------------------------------------
None         Nil      1.0      0.02         100
Cramped      Nil      2.0      0.02         100
Adequate     Nil      3.0      0.02         100
Roomy        Nil      4.0      0.02         100

One position required for each occupant. If occupants are expected
to spend more than 8 hours in the vehicle, double the above. If they
spend more than 24 hours in the vehicle, provide extended
accommodations (step 9); otherwise, go to step 10"
The spreadsheet figures result in:
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Crew Station      2      4m3      Roomy      =      8m3 = Zero tons
Crew Station      30     2m3      Cramped   =       60m3 = 1 ton
Given that the standard height of a deck is 3m, I cannot fathom how a seat of any sort can work in the tiddly amount of floor area remaining?!
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Crew Station      2      4m3      Roomy      =      8m3 = Zero tons
Crew Station      30     2m3      Cramped   =       60m3 = 1 ton
Given that the standard height of a deck is 3m, I cannot fathom how a seat of any sort can work in the tiddly amount of floor area remaining?!
_8 m ≈ 0.6 Dton ≈ 1 square.
60 m ≈ 4.4 Dton ≈ 9 squares.

Crew stations are intended for vehicles and small craft, 3 m deck height not necessarily assumed. If needed stack people two high.

The "crew station" in a normal car is something like 0.7 m ≈ 0.3 squares. Normal car or airline seating is something like 4-5 people per square.


The Hind packs in 8 equipped soldiers on about 3 m 1.7 m, or about 4 people per square with some room left for access.


Seated people don't need very high ceilings. A vehicle designer is unlikely to waste a lot of space on very high ceilings. Even if the vehicle is 3 m high you can place some other component above or below the passenger compartment.
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_8 m ≈ 0.6 Dton ≈ 1 square.
60 m ≈ 4.4 Dton ≈ 9 squares.

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This is where I'm confused. The MT RG Ship deck plans (as an exo-atmospheric-capable Gig-like craft, this is one of those) rule states that 1 dton requires 2 (two) squares. I just can't get my head around how this is different.
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This is where I'm confused. The MT RG Ship deck plans (as an exo-atmospheric-capable Gig-like craft, this is one of those) rule states that 1 dton requires 2 (two) squares. I just can't get my head around how this is different.
MT RG? You mean Referee's Manual?

1 Dton = 13.5 m.

60 m / 13.5 m = 4.444 Dton.

4.444 Dton 2 squares/Dton ≈ 9 squares. This is assuming 3 m deck height.


3 m deck height is good for ships where people live, but too high for small craft and vehicles where people sit for awhile. Making a small craft less than 3 m high has the added bonus of making it fit on a single deck on a starship with 3 m deck height.

You don't have to use 3 m deck height, it's just good for humans and makes deck plans easy with 2 squares/Dton. E.g. K'kree ships presumably require higher ceilings.

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