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Old November 18th, 2017, 01:11 PM
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I have a idea on this. It is the same story GM's face even now. Munchkins, and power gaming and maturity. I remember what jerks my friends and I were when we were young.

I had already gotten Traveller but my group did not like it much. It seemed like a wargame without the hexmap. We did not hang out with older gamers. They were adults and creepy. We tried it, but eh, no adventures.
Then a friend picked up D&D. It had character improvement (experience points and levels)!

My God in Heaven! Experience points and levels! A way for pre-teens to keep track of who is actually better player. And my character is demonstratively better with
More Hit Points!
More Spells! I never forget the day I got Fireball!
Better Thieving Skills!
While Traveller had an improvement system, it was god-awful slow and did not give you much to show for it. No amount playing or lack of playing could change the training time. With D&D, hey lets kill more stuff.
The same with Gamma World. Discrete levels, character improvement. Even worse, having players run into radioactive areas just to hopefully get more "powers".

Traveller is an excellent game. A great RPG. But in comparison to other RPGs of the day it did not have that zing to appeal to youngsters without guidance.
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Old November 18th, 2017, 02:05 PM
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Yeah, I remember shows like Buck Rogers with Gil Gerard, Battlestar Galactica, the Star Wars films a few years earlier ... Alien and Aliens, and people really going crazy for that stuff.
I bought Traveller as a 12 year old in 1977 in response to Star Wars. My friend bought D&D in response to the Rankin-Bass Hobbit cartoon which was on NBC on Thanksgiving weekend the same year.

While not as memorable now, in the same time period '77-'85 or so was Bakshi's Lord of the Rings, Sword and the Sorcerer, Krull, Beastmaster, The Wizards and Warriors TV show, Red Sonja, and of course
CONAN, "destined to wear the jeweled crown of Aquilonia upon a troubled brow."

Of the two games, which more easily played like to the associated media?

Oh and, let us not forget Return of the King on ABC in 1979 with my favorite kids song When There's A Whip (<<<listen at the link), sung by the orcs! With Roddy McDowell!
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Cool clip.

I'm about to get deep, high minded, philosophical, and to this extent you might think me just off my rocker (as if no one thought that already).

To me, scifi in terms of popular media, seems to be an inspirational device to get young boys to think about careers dealing with law and order or security (not necessarily law enforcement).

To this extent it feels, to me at least, that Traveller has lots of earmarks for that. Well, if that's the case, okay, fine. I don't have a problem with that, but it's like from my perspective there were far more scifi fans in the 70s and 80s than there ever were fantasy fans. And yet D&D exploded (or seemingly) while scifi of various sorts, even though it was more popular, just lingered when it came to games.

And I have a good idea of why. I think scifi is a popular and powerful genre that is secretly coveted for fear of regular Joe's creating something that has a negative message in it.

Well, to me that's just not right.
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Scifi is a genre by itself, and a mirror to our society, having more leeway to comment on it and where it's going, compared to medieval fantasy, where you have to figure out how not pull you out of your suspension of disbelief by threading the needle of political correctness.
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To me, scifi in terms of popular media, seems to be an inspirational device to get young boys to think about careers dealing with law and order or security (not necessarily law enforcement).
Traveller in the 70's seemed more like a recruiting drive for criminals
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Traveller in the 70's seemed more like a recruiting drive for criminals
Heh, various groups I gamed with skirted criminality, but I don't think any one of them went pirating or anything.

I don't know. I don't want to get political and have to have my posts move to the special forum section, but it's like having interacted with the genre, grown up with it ever since my first Star Trek episode or Godzilla movie, the conventions, numerous novels, comics, films, computer and video console games ... it's like I get it. I'll reserve a rant for my blog.

Getting back on topic, kudos to whoever likes Starfinder. It doesn't strike me as being all that interesting. I think it may offer some enticements at first glance, but I seem to recall that TSR tried the same thing with their Starjammer game. I can't remember whatever happened to that.
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Somebody must be playing it. I just did a search on DT. "Starfinder" gave 210 hits. "Cepheus" gave me 200.
I've been playing StarFinder Society. It has more of a science-fantasy feel than Traveller, which I enjoy.
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I've been playing StarFinder Society. It has more of a science-fantasy feel than Traveller, which I enjoy.
Space-fantasy; there's no science there.
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I bought Traveller as a 12 year old in 1977 in response to Star Wars. My friend bought D&D in response to the Rankin-Bass Hobbit cartoon which was on NBC on Thanksgiving weekend the same year.

While not as memorable now, in the same time period '77-'85 or so was Bakshi's Lord of the Rings, Sword and the Sorcerer, Krull, Beastmaster, The Wizards and Warriors TV show, Red Sonja, and of course
CONAN, "destined to wear the jeweled crown of Aquilonia upon a troubled brow."
Wow, such totally different route than mine, my crowd at that time was much more of a literary bent. We played things that we saw in books.
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I feel like Traveller fits the "military scifi" niche much like the new Battlestar Galactica or The Expanse, where most of the characters either are in the military or tied to it in some way. Even Firefly has its roots in military, and it feels very Traveller-like.

Starfinder (from reading, not playing) seems a lot more "science fantasy" with an emphasis on more cinematic adventure such as Star Wars or Lensman. Not a bad thing, but very different. I have mixed minds about Starfinder since I'm not a 3E/Pathfinder guy, but other than Traveller I'm having a hard time finding a scifi RPG that I really like and Traveller is too gung-ho military for my wife and sister and several others in my gaming group.
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