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Hello all,

I've done a check through T4 Books 1, 2, B, and D looking for instructions on drawing deck plans without finding anything.

Can someone point me in the right direction please?
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T4 was done in such a rush that some things were simply forgotten.
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T4 was done in such a rush that some things were simply forgotten.
Thank you for letting me know that my search gremlins were probably not responsible for not finding the topic of deck plans in T4.

I suspected that a section on deck plans may have been left out because everyone knows that they are 1.5 m x 3 m x 3 m or per TNE Brilliant Lances 2 m x 2 m x 3.5 m or was supposed to go into an planned update the never got published.
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If you want to get T4 deckplans copies then you can get them in the Starships book that can be picked up pretty cheaply at Drivethru RPG
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If you want to get T4 deckplans copies then you can get them in the Starships book that can be picked up pretty cheaply at Drivethru RPG
Yep, T4 Book 2 Starships has deck plans and so does T4 Book B Naval Architect's Manual.

In T4 Book 2 Starships the size and scale denoted by a square varies.

The rescue ball on page 7 one square about two inches by two inches represents two meters.

The square for the launch on page nine is about 0.5 by 0.5 inches representing 1 meter.

The luxury liner's deck plan on page 27 doesn't show any scale square.

Page 29 has the deck plan for a free trader with the 0.5 by 0.5 inch square representing two meters.

On page 34 the square is approximately 0.25 by 0.25 inches and represents two meters.

In CT the scale is one square is 1.5 meters regardless of the size of the two-dimensional square. The height is two 1.5 meter squares or 3 meters. One ton using two-dimensional squares is one square wide representing 1.5 meters by two squares long being equal to 3 meters.

T4 Starships has three sizes of squares representing two different measurements.

Which is the right scale?
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As long as you know which scale the plans are using, both 1.5m and 2m are "right".

There was some discussion when T4 rolled out about the floor scale for deckplans, and I think it ended up being 2m grid. A 1m grid is no different, really, you just have to know that and count squares the right way.

Note that the Starships book for T4 is pretty bad. Only a few of the plans are all that useful. The SSDS section in back isn't bad, but the example ships vary from mostly useful (the A2) to just useless (The Scout).
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As long as you know which scale the plans are using, both 1.5m and 2m are "right".

There was some discussion when T4 rolled out about the floor scale for deckplans, and I think it ended up being 2m grid. A 1m grid is no different, really, you just have to know that and count squares the right way.

Note that the Starships book for T4 is pretty bad. Only a few of the plans are all that useful. The SSDS section in back isn't bad, but the example ships vary from mostly useful (the A2) to just useless (The Scout).
You are right knowing the scale is half the battle, however in CT all of the deck plans I have recently looked through all used 1.5 meters per square and 1.5 meters in a cube.

In T4 Starships some of the deck plans a square is 1 m x 1 m or 2 m x 2 m. A cube is either 1 m x 1 m x 1 m or 2 m x 2 m x 2 m.

T4 Book 2 Starships is not pretty bad it is just a bit rough around the edges something similar to CT Book 2 and Book 5 editions.;-)

I have a copy of the revised copy of SSDS and I'll agree it is not bad from what I can see so far.
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T4 Book 2 Starships is not pretty bad it is just a bit rough around the edges something similar to CT Book 2 and Book 5 editions.;-)
As long as you ignore the claim that it is a book with deckplans, sure.

I have partial efforts into rescuing several of the deckplans from that book, as QSDS and the BBOH were my preferred design regime for a while, but it has been a while since I looked at them.
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Morning GypsyComet,

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As long as you ignore the claim that it is a book with deckplans, sure.

I have partial efforts into rescuing several of the deckplans from that book, as QSDS and the BBOH were my preferred design regime for a while, but it has been a while since I looked at them.
Sorry about the delay in getting back to you between rebuilding a spreadsheet and the real world my time flew while not having fun.

Next, I just noticed that the web gremlins got me again.

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T4 Book 2 Starships is not pretty bad it is just a bit rough around the edges something similar to CT Book 2 and Book 5 editions.;-)
The CT Book 2 and Book 5 editions is missing a word, that word is first. Here is the way I thought I had typed the sentence.

T4 Book 2 Starships is not pretty bad it is just a bit rough around the edges something similar to CT Book 2 and Book 5 first editions.;-)

I believe QSDS means Quick Ship Design System, unfortunately I'm clueless about BBOH. What is BBOH?
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I believe QSDS means Quick Ship Design System, unfortunately I'm clueless about BBOH. What is BBOH?
The Big Book of Hulls. BITS still has it and the last revision of the QSDS.
http://www.bitsuk.net/Archive/GameRules/GameRules.html
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