Traveller Store CotI Features New Posts Mark Forums Read Register


Go Back TravellerRPG.com > Citizens of the Imperium > Other Versions of Traveller > Mongoose Traveller

Mongoose Traveller Discussion forums for the Traveller rules from Mongoose Publishing.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21  
Old March 6th, 2014, 12:53 PM
rancke's Avatar
rancke rancke is offline
Absent Friend
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
Posts: 12,238
Gallery : 11
rancke Respected Citizenrancke Respected Citizenrancke Respected Citizenrancke Respected Citizenrancke Respected Citizenrancke Respected Citizenrancke Respected Citizen
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by GypsyComet View Post
Recalling how trackless parts of the Trojan Reach are described in the 1100s, the idea that Imperial records might be incorrect with regards to the states of The Beyond is not a big stretch.
The description of the Trojan Reach as unknown territory after 700 years of contact and trade with the Aslans on the other side of it, OTOH, is much too big a stretch. The Trojan Reach in Leviathan fits a lot better with Year 400 than with Year 1100.

Lots of inaccuracies and misunderstandings, sure. Near-total information failure, no.


Hans
__________________
[I]"It also has to make sense."[/I]
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old March 6th, 2014, 01:13 PM
GypsyComet's Avatar
GypsyComet GypsyComet is offline
Citizen: SOC-14
 
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 3,648
Gallery : 3
GypsyComet Citizen++GypsyComet Citizen++GypsyComet Citizen++GypsyComet Citizen++
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rancke View Post
The description of the Trojan Reach as unknown territory after 700 years of contact and trade with the Aslans on the other side of it, OTOH, is much too big a stretch. The Trojan Reach in Leviathan fits a lot better with Year 400 than with Year 1100.

Lots of inaccuracies and misunderstandings, sure. Near-total information failure, no.


Hans
This very quickly loops back around to the nature of interstellar commerce, which is not why this topic is here.
__________________
We are all playing different games that happen to have the same name.

"Alright. Where did that Beaker get a cred stick?"
(Website down until further notice)
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old March 6th, 2014, 01:26 PM
rancke's Avatar
rancke rancke is offline
Absent Friend
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
Posts: 12,238
Gallery : 11
rancke Respected Citizenrancke Respected Citizenrancke Respected Citizenrancke Respected Citizenrancke Respected Citizenrancke Respected Citizenrancke Respected Citizen
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by GypsyComet View Post
This very quickly loops back around to the nature of interstellar commerce, which is not why this topic is here.
It loops back to the nature of human curiosity and the motives of explorers and how many explorers the Spinward Marches would spawn in 700 years, so it's perfectly on topic as a reply to your suggestion.

To elucidate: If you have an huge ultra-tech civilization growing in the Spinward Marches for most of a millenium, the neighboring sectors will have been the target of numerous explorers, scientists, merchant scouts, and free traders over those centuries. We even have a canonical reference to Imperial Scouts being down in the second tier of subsectors (subsector E) around 200 or 300 (I forget the exact date).

So, no, the Beyond would not be virtually terra incognita to the Imperium in 1100.


Hans
__________________
[I]"It also has to make sense."[/I]
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old March 6th, 2014, 01:47 PM
GypsyComet's Avatar
GypsyComet GypsyComet is offline
Citizen: SOC-14
 
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 3,648
Gallery : 3
GypsyComet Citizen++GypsyComet Citizen++GypsyComet Citizen++GypsyComet Citizen++
Default

Then consider looking at the second paragraph of what I wrote. Consider it in the context of how the Chinese view Taiwan and Tibet, or the Russians will very shortly view the Crimea. Maps lie.
__________________
We are all playing different games that happen to have the same name.

"Alright. Where did that Beaker get a cred stick?"
(Website down until further notice)
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old March 6th, 2014, 02:05 PM
rancke's Avatar
rancke rancke is offline
Absent Friend
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
Posts: 12,238
Gallery : 11
rancke Respected Citizenrancke Respected Citizenrancke Respected Citizenrancke Respected Citizenrancke Respected Citizenrancke Respected Citizenrancke Respected Citizen
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by GypsyComet View Post
Then consider looking at the second paragraph of what I wrote. Consider it in the context of how the Chinese view Taiwan and Tibet, or the Russians will very shortly view the Crimea. Maps lie.
Only maps made by people with an interest in lying. What agenda would Imperial knowledge collections have in the Beyond?


Hans
__________________
[I]"It also has to make sense."[/I]
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old March 6th, 2014, 02:19 PM
dmccoy1693's Avatar
dmccoy1693 dmccoy1693 is offline
Citizen: SOC-13
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Trenton
Posts: 562
Gallery : 0
Visit dmccoy1693's Blog
dmccoy1693 Citizen+dmccoy1693 Citizen+
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rancke View Post
Only maps made by people with an interest in lying. What agenda would Imperial knowledge collections have in the Beyond?
Not necessarily. A map is merely an interpretation of the current situation. Take a planet that is listed as Balkanized for a moment. That means someone looked at the political situation and said that there are large parts of the planet that the planetary government does not control. That could mean anything from a legitimate government to a rebel army. So what if that rebel army is really just a bunch of local farmers with guns and are exaggerating the real situation. All of the sudden, those farmers are given legitimacy because they are on a map, all because the map maker's boss pressured him to get it done faster.

Now look at it the other way around. Say a rebel army has had control of the system's outer worlds. Sure population wise, they control less than 1/5th the total population, but they are able to keep the central government at bay. Then that same busy map maker comes along and determines that this outer world government is more akin to pirates then a full independent nation. They do not receive any kind of legitimacy all because of some busy map maker.

So someone doesn't have to lie to simply have the map wrong.
__________________
Download the Rusted Fang Station for your game today.

Dale McCoy, Jr.
Jon Brazer Enterprises
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old March 6th, 2014, 05:20 PM
Nathan Brazil's Avatar
Nathan Brazil Nathan Brazil is offline
Citizen: SOC-14
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Chicago
Posts: 1,038
Gallery : 0
Nathan Brazil Citizen+Nathan Brazil Citizen+
Default

On Avalar:

Using the Mongoose rules, to your point, there is a potential for 1D3 rival Factions (p.173) of varying strength.

Also note concerning Contraband p.175, Government Type 9 does not normally consider Information to be Contraband. Interesting...
__________________
"I am bound by canon" - Marc W Miller at Gamerhole Con 2016
IMTU tc+ tm tn++ t4+ tg t20++ ru ge++ 3i+ c+ jt-- au- ls pi+ ta he+ hi++ as va ith-- vr+ ne- so+
Nathan Brazil 0401 X55A670-A S he+ hi++ as va ith-- vr+ ne- so+ 733
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old March 6th, 2014, 09:53 PM
inexorabletash's Avatar
inexorabletash inexorabletash is offline
Citizen: SOC-14
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 1,030
Gallery : 1
inexorabletash has disabled reputation
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by GypsyComet View Post
Hasn't the Paranoia Press version of The Beyond been off the Canon list for decades, though?
Yeah. Well, I'd love to know exactly when the decanonization occurred.

That said, there is no canonical version of the Beyond. I'm actually in the process of trying to get the PP version of Beyond up on travellermap. Yes, it's completely crazy-pants, but why not? The current version I have is a complete re-do by Chuck Kallenbach II circa 1200 which has dropped off the web. Since it's apocryphal anyway, why not go with the crazy?

While it doesn't fit in with modern sensibilities, the idea that those sectors spinward of the Imperium were more like golden-age SF, full of Campbellian tropes and bug-eyed monsters has some appeal.

So (to wrench the thread back on topic) I'd say: Don't make your Foreven boring! Make it something unexpected but fun to seasoned Traveller players, just a short distance from "home".
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old March 6th, 2014, 10:35 PM
GypsyComet's Avatar
GypsyComet GypsyComet is offline
Citizen: SOC-14
 
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 3,648
Gallery : 3
GypsyComet Citizen++GypsyComet Citizen++GypsyComet Citizen++GypsyComet Citizen++
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by inexorabletash View Post
Yeah. Well, I'd love to know exactly when the decanonization occurred.
Traditionally, 1991, when Solomani & Aslan was published and visibly overwrote it would be the last date. The later DGP complications may or may not have changed that.

The last time I talked to Chuck was probably twenty years ago. He was decidedly unworried about his material being incompatible with the GDW vision. That puts it in the YTU or ATU category.
__________________
We are all playing different games that happen to have the same name.

"Alright. Where did that Beaker get a cred stick?"
(Website down until further notice)
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old March 6th, 2014, 11:29 PM
SpaceBadger's Avatar
SpaceBadger SpaceBadger is offline
Peer of the Realm
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Central Missouri, USA
Posts: 3,577
Gallery : 1
Visit SpaceBadger's Blog
SpaceBadger Respected CitizenSpaceBadger Respected CitizenSpaceBadger Respected CitizenSpaceBadger Respected CitizenSpaceBadger Respected CitizenSpaceBadger Respected Citizen
Default

So what ever happened to the idea of Foreven being left alone by publishers so that any GM could make whatever he/she wanted there?
__________________
--
Imperial Core Update: In other news, Emperor Strephon Aella Alkhalikoi is... still alive.

Playing Engineer Ank Buchannon in flykiller's Imperial Scout Rescue Service PbP


My Old Stuff (2013-14)
SBRD Campaign Quick Reference
SBRD Campaign Wiki: Reavers' Deep during The Long Night
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
foreven, jon brazer enterprises, mongoose traveller, traveller

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Help Me Do Foreven Right. dmccoy1693 The Lone Star 0 June 21st, 2010 05:03 PM
Foreven? E.D.Quibell Imperial Interstellar Scout Service 7 January 5th, 2010 04:19 PM
Foreven: Your Thoughts dmccoy1693 Mongoose Traveller 130 October 5th, 2009 10:03 PM
[Foreven] Four All New d66 Lists Available dmccoy1693 TAS News Feed 2 September 12th, 2009 04:15 PM
[Foreven] Four New d66 Products Available dmccoy1693 TAS News Feed 0 August 7th, 2009 06:44 PM

This website and its contents are copyright ©2010- Far Future Enterprises. All rights reserved. Traveller is a registered trademark of Far Future Enterprises .
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright (c) 2010-2013, Far Future Enterprises. All Rights Reserved.