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Old December 3rd, 2017, 03:42 PM
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Really good point Xerxes, and top reply Ishmael.

So the value of a life depends on that placed on it by its owner, the society within which they exist, and any other external standards.

Remembering that the details of low-berth survival were written in CT and based on a perception of low berth at that time, and ad to it all the comments about the failure rate of health and safety standards in different places in our contemporary world. Is it fair to say that the value of human life in the 3I would vary from place to place?

IMTU I varied the survival rate based on the TL of the vessel, where it was operating ("Sir, local laws require that this unit cannot be occupied by a passenger within this system unless it is certified by full operational testing and said certification is logged with the SPA. Would you like to request certification now, or are you not going to offer low passage on your next outbound travel?") and the skill of the medtech operating the thing.
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East Germans trying to reach West Germany in the 1950s-80s.
Vietnamese trying to reach anywhere else in the 1970s.
Haitians trying to reach the US in the 1990s/2000s.
North Africans trying to reach Europe in the mid 2010s.
Syrians (etc) trying to reach anywhere else in the mid 2010s.

In all of these there were significant numbers of deaths during the movement from one area to another.
yes, but all of these were motivated by desperation to some extent, and a "anywhere is better than here, even a shallow grave" mindset.
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Reading between the lines about life on high TL, high population Imperial worlds there appear to be a lot of desperate people willing to risk it.
No medical insurance for the poor - so they die or are forced into 'voluntary' colonist programs.
No unemployment benefit so they too are forced into 'voluntary' colony low berths.

High law level means you will eventually fall foul of the law and end up in a convict low berth.

You may as well take your chances and set out on your own to win fame and fortune, even if it means the odd pit fight, working passage, low berth, stowaway, thug for hire existence.
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There's voluntary push and pull conditions, but a lot of local authorities .may have a lock on immigration control, leaving them stranded in the starport.
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Reading between the lines about life on high TL, high population Imperial worlds there appear to be a lot of desperate people willing to risk it.
No medical insurance for the poor - so they die or are forced into 'voluntary' colonist programs.
No unemployment benefit so they too are forced into 'voluntary' colony low berths.

High law level means you will eventually fall foul of the law and end up in a convict low berth.

You may as well take your chances and set out on your own to win fame and fortune, even if it means the odd pit fight, working passage, low berth, stowaway, thug for hire existence.
Unfortunately human life seems to follow some of the principles normally associated with commodities: the greater the supply then the lower the unit value. That could certainly apply to High Pop worlds in a setting where there may be a couple with A ratings in a couple of subsectors.
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Unfortunately human life seems to follow some of the principles normally associated with commodities: the greater the supply then the lower the unit value. That could certainly apply to High Pop worlds in a setting where there may be a couple with A ratings in a couple of subsectors.
Reality is the opposite: high populations are the result of a higher value placed on life, as reflected in reduced violence and improved medical care.

Populations grow as mortality in children & young adults decreases. More people surviving to have children gives you more children.
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I have a whole section on MTU on certification, which includes a variation on the Traveller computers, and all sorts of hazmat hauling.
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Reality is the opposite: high populations are the result of a higher value placed on life, as reflected in reduced violence and improved medical care.

Populations grow as mortality in children & young adults decreases. More people surviving to have children gives you more children.
I have to mention India and China, neither country places a great value on human life or rights.
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Homogeneity.

Surprisingly recent, or was dormant, in India's case.
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Reality is the opposite: high populations are the result of a higher value placed on life, as reflected in reduced violence and improved medical care.

Populations grow as mortality in children & young adults decreases. More people surviving to have children gives you more children.
http://www.economicsdiscussion.net/a...explained/2243
http://www.geography.hunter.cuny.edu...s.outline.html

Reality is that high population growth ( on our earth at least ) is most prevalent in areas where life is cheap and where most people cannot afford education, technology or heath care. These people would be on the tail end of a Pareto curve. In developed countries where the population would be on the higher end of that curve, birth rates are lower.
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