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Old December 22nd, 2016, 09:44 PM
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Like I mentioned, great for visualization.

But basically, you had the the primary cast talking over each other, with a Greek chorus in the background.

Folklore has it that after Herbert watched it in the cinema, he drove home in tears.

I may have also been heavily influenced by the Dune 2000 computer game, which presented the Dune universe in terms everyone could understand.
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Like I mentioned, great for visualization.

But basically, you had the the primary cast talking over each other, with a Greek chorus in the background.

Folklore has it that after Herbert watched it in the cinema, he drove home in tears.

I may have also been heavily influenced by the Dune 2000 computer game, which presented the Dune universe in terms everyone could understand.
One can only imagine what his reaction would have been to Jodowrowsky's Dune.

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Back to the Expanse:
the books are a really good read and I hope the TV show continues long enough for the full plot to be revealed.

There are powered armour suits verging on mecha in the books.
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Like I mentioned, great for visualization.

But basically, you had the the primary cast talking over each other, with a Greek chorus in the background.

Folklore has it that after Herbert watched it in the cinema, he drove home in tears.

I may have also been heavily influenced by the Dune 2000 computer game, which presented the Dune universe in terms everyone could understand.
Let's face it, writers tend to hate stuff adapted from their works (ask Allan Moore too...). But yeah I can see Herbert not liking it for sure.

The constant thought dialogue in the film tries to reflect all that inner thought the book represents, but was a bit ill advised.

I'm going to have to seek out the first episode or two of Expanse so I can check it out over the long holiday weekend..
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One can only imagine what his reaction would have been to Jodowrowsky's Dune.
Thanks for the link!
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I'm going to have to seek out the first episode or two of Expanse so I can check it out over the long holiday weekend..
Note that the series really picks up its momentum starting in the third episode.
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As for CT task rolls, well... I think the pilot of the Rocinante is at least skill-2 😉
Interesting. I see it a bit differently, but I've only watched up to Ep 7.

Alex Kamal states several times he's not that good a pilot. (When confronted with the fact he was in the Martian Navy, he responds "As a cargo shuttle pilot!" I believe.)

He always seems tense when at the controls of the Rocinante as far as I can tell. I would have pegged him at Pilot-1.

That said, when he flew the Rocinante (at the time called the Tachi) out of the Donnager, I assumed (in Classic Traveller terms), he had to make a roll (Throw 8+ for being under stress; DM+1 for pilot expertise) and managed to pull it off.

Now, the show seems to be lining up the characters -- a bunch of folks who have skills but always shot low on the ambition department -- to step up to greater achievement. I'll see how it all plays out!
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Maybe he had an unconscious psychological block to flying a gunship, that his instructors picked up on.
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Maybe he had an unconscious psychological block to flying a gunship, that his instructors picked up on.
Yes, doesn't Kamal have a line somewhere where he talks about being told he wasn't destined to work his way up the chain? I can't remember exactly.

And, like I said, this is a show with a four leads on that ship who live with untapped (and even undesired) potential. Stepping up to that potential will be, I think, major arcs for them across the show.

In Classic Traveller terms, it means the character has Pilot-2, but the Player declares he carries himself like a Pilot-1. He can only get hired at a Pilot-1, gets a pay of a Pilot-1... with that Pilot-2 waiting to be revealed through play!
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Note that the series really picks up its momentum starting in the third episode.
Will keep it in mind. I generally give 3 eps to see if I want to invest. I gave up on Westworld after 3 (love western stuff, but just got bored) which is weird because I tend to get invested in a show if I watch the first 3.

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Thanks for the link!
That is a fantastic documentary. I really love these "movies that might have been" docs, such as this and Death of Superman Lives which they play a lot on pay cable lately. I think the first such documentary I ever saw was about Terry Gilliam's ill-fated Man of La Mancha film.
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