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What's that translate to in Traveller Navy terms? <=)

Actually, what I'm reading via internet poking is that "the wardroom is the mess-cabin of naval commissioned officers' above the rank of sub-lieutenant" [source]. Sub-lieutenant in MgT is Navy Officer 2, so the wardroom is for Officer rank 3 and higher? (I'd extend that to other career branches, of course.)
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Basically, the Traveller Rank Structure makes no provision for Warrant Officers, which are highly skilled technicians intermediate between enlisted men and officers.

In Traveller Navy terms, the Wardroom would be for those characters with an officer rank. The CPO mess would be for those characters with a Traveller enlisted rank of 2 or higher. Crew mess would be for anyone, but normally for the lower ranking crew.

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In Trav it translates to ALL officers. It's LONG (many centuries) tradition that all ship's officers use the wardroom.
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In Trav it translates to ALL officers. It's LONG (many centuries) tradition that all ship's officers use the wardroom.
Oh, do military vessel plans show a wardroom? I haven't looked (and I'm new to Traveller). Cool.

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Oh, do military vessel plans show a wardroom? I haven't looked (and I'm new to Traveller). Cool.

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If one designs in detail, the larger mil ships will have officer messing shown.
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Actually, what I'm reading via internet poking is that "the wardroom is the mess-cabin of naval commissioned officers' above the rank of sub-lieutenant" [source]. Sub-lieutenant in MgT is Navy Officer 2, so the wardroom is for Officer rank 3 and higher? (I'd extend that to other career branches, of course.)
The way the USN promotes to warrant, essentially, E10-E13.

In all seriousness, US Warrants and Chief Warrants are Commissioned officers below Ensign/Sub-lieutenant, usually, but not always, promoted from the senior enlisted (some have been as low as E5, and a few, mostly pilots, were direct commissions). The titles have varied since the end of WW I, but the functional purposes are either "promoting an NCO above the rest of the SNCO's but still under the Ensigns" or "Only officers are allowed to do X, so these guys will be Warrants so they can do X even tho' they don't qualify for commissioning as O1's". The former was introduced by the USMC and USN just after WW I; the latter was USN, USMC, and USAAC at the start of WWII, after congress said "Enlisted Men don't fly in combat"...

The rank titles of the first warrants are interesting: Gunner or Quartermaster Clerk (USMC); Bosun, Gunner, Carpenter, Electrician, Radio-Electrician, Machinist, Pay Clerk, or Pharmacist (USN); Flight Officer, Field Clerk (USAAC); Field Clerk (Army); Master, Mate, Chief Engineer, Assistant Engineer (USACOS/USAMPS).... Half of the warrant corps was direct commission to WO for holding jobs requiring officer authority but not having military training, while the other half were technically trained NCO's promoted to serve as specialist-officers. Note that the Navy and USMC used almost exclusively former enlisted, while the Army trained new recruits directly to warrants... And in practice, that distinction still holds. (On paper, all Army warrants are supposedly former enlisted - some do basic, then a combined WOCS and Flight School...)
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This has become the "catch up Adam on all topics related to modern US Navy," which is incredibly useful and enlightening. I have no military service, but I have close relatives in foreign service and numerous friends in various DC-corridor military and defense jobs, so I hear this stuff regularly. My grandfather was a mine tender in WWII, so I have a soft spot for those buoy tender deck plans.
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In all seriousness, US Warrants and Chief Warrants are Commissioned officers below Ensign/Sub-lieutenant, usually, but not always, promoted from the senior enlisted (some have been as low as E5, and a few, mostly pilots, were direct commissions).
The latest survey I read (from about 4 years ago) in the USN showed that most Warrant O's coming from E7-E8's. LDO's were coming mostly from E5-E6. Warrants having on average 7-10 years more service than new LDO's.
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The latest survey I read (from about 4 years ago) in the USN showed that most Warrant O's coming from E7-E8's. LDO's were coming mostly from E5-E6. Warrants having on average 7-10 years more service than new LDO's.
USCG is similar; a buddy of mine is up for CW3 or retirement.

Meanwhile most of the Army warrants I'm meeting are under 25 YO... and fly helicopters.
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USCG is similar; a buddy of mine is up for CW3 or retirement.

Meanwhile most of the Army warrants I'm meeting are under 25 YO... and fly helicopters.
Yes, the 1st time I encountered the Army thing was in '88. I met a new helo pilot who had joined up, was put into school and came out a WO and was sent to flight school.
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