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Old February 13th, 2018, 01:46 PM
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Consider this: It's the final stage of the Solomani Rim War. Admiral Arielle Adair is directing a massive Imperial battle fleet advancing toward Terra. As needed, she creates mission-specific task forces that break off from the main force.

Each of these task forces carry wafers with the latest personality scans of the Admiral and her staff. Should the task force run into trouble, the commander is able to activate the wafers and discuss the situation at length with Admiral Adair.

While this has many shortcomings over true FTL communication, it also has many advantages over just giving the commander extremely broad orders and hoping that he or she will make the right decisions. The commander doesn't need to guess what Adair wants the task force to do -- she just tells them.

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There is an interesting chapter in AotI where Bland is activated after the wafer warlord is defeated.

I think what you are suggesting has a lot of merit, but the individual task forces are still limited to the decisions and tactics used on the spot.

The post wafer-tech OTU sure isn't Kansas anymore Toto...
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Doesn't the "scan" of the subject's brain to create the wafer destroy said brain?

Now, if Admiral Ackbar, oops, Adair, had been dying of a fatal disease and was scanned into wafer form (and killed) just before the fleet leaves base, then numerous copies of that wafer could be distributed to each task force. In fact, in the novel doesn't the Agent do something similar?
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The low TL version does in the book, there is nothing in T5 that says the brain has to be destroyed. Considering the TL of the Imperium at the time of Bland's wafer download is TL12/13 and it may be an experimental technique then this is understandable.

I would hazard a guess that by TL13/14 non-destructive brain scans are possible - it says in the T5 rules that a ship autodoc can make the brainscan...

it also mentions examples of people having back-up personality recordings to relict them once they shuffle off the mortal coil
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For example, Duke Adawulf of Efate knew he was living
a dangerous life when hostilities started in the Spinward
Marches; he quite responsibly bought life insurance. In the
last days of the enemy assault, Adawulf held off the enemy
at the portico of his estate as his staff made their escape.
After several hours, he was killed when Zhodani artillery levelled
the palace. His loyal butler gathered up a few scraps
of the Duke, and after the war ended, notified the insurance
company. About a year later, the Duke made his appeance at
a party in his honor, but with no memories of the past three
years.
Hmm, what if Seldrian isn't just a sex-changed clone of Norris but is his downloaded memories and personality too?
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The post wafer-tech OTU sure isn't Kansas anymore Toto...
No doubt.

Just imagine an indecisive, CYA commander. Faced with a tough decision, he calls up the wafer admiral, who directs him to do X. Except X is the wrong call. Who is to blame? Does a wafer admiral outrank a captain? (Certainly Agent Bland outranked anyone he encountered.) Surely the Navy does not want a generation of lily-livered captains afraid to act without consulting with wafer daddy.

Or imagine this: "Captain, sensors indicate the flagship has been destroyed." "Commander, active the reserve admiral. Signal the rest of the fleet that the admiral's flag has been transferred to us."

Or imagine pulling an emergency wafer general or admiral out to deal with a crisis. Only that admiral made her name fighting TL 11 battles. And you are facing TL 13 opponents with meson spinals. Her tactical mind is still just as sharp as it ever was, but her experience is completely useless in this context.

Or your general was a veteran of the Pacification Campaigns, when the Imperium held life in less regard than today's more "enlightened" culture. The general is of a "nuke 'em till they cry uncle, and then nuke 'em some more" school that, while still sound military doctrine, is very much out of political fashion.

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Hmm, what if Seldrian isn't just a sex-changed clone of Norris but is his downloaded memories and personality too?
Depending on what private life had Norris had, the male memories on a female body could produce some mental distress and maybe some problems better to discuss in the pit (if at all)...

See that, if it is possible, download the memories of a human on an alien, as could be a vargr, being the closer biochemistry to humans (or vice-versa, for what's worth) could also cause the same confusion and problems.
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Or imagine pulling an emergency wafer general or admiral out to deal with a crisis. Only that admiral made her name fighting TL 11 battles. And you are facing TL 13 opponents with meson spinals. Her tactical mind is still just as sharp as it ever was, but her experience is completely useless in this context.

Or your general was a veteran of the Pacification Campaigns, when the Imperium held life in less regard than today's more "enlightened" culture. The general is of a "nuke 'em till they cry uncle, and then nuke 'em some more" school that, while still sound military doctrine, is very much out of political fashion.
Such wafers would likely be "retired" on a planned basis.
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I would think this sort of thing...

"For example, Duke Adawulf of Efate knew he was living
a dangerous life when hostilities started in the Spinward
Marches; he quite responsibly bought life insurance. In the
last days of the enemy assault, Adawulf held off the enemy
at the portico of his estate as his staff made their escape.
After several hours, he was killed when Zhodani artillery levelled
the palace. His loyal butler gathered up a few scraps
of the Duke, and after the war ended, notified the insurance
company. About a year later, the Duke made his appeance at
a party in his honor, but with no memories of the past three
years."

...would be frowned upon by the good duke's heirs. Was the office of Duke of Efate vacant for those three years? Did the duke's son take the position during those three years but then is demoted once his father's clone/father makes a reappearance? Why use anagathics when you could just periodically make a new, younger clone of yourself and download your mind into it?

This is the SF version of the the situation in Tolkien's Middle-Earth, where Elrond has been ruling Rivendell for over three thousand years. His sons never inherit anything because their father doesn't die, they never move up to his position, they never get out of his shadow. It doesn't bother them because they have the psychology of Elves, not Men, but Traveller's humaniti are not Elves.

This is functional immortality and eternal youth. It doesn't really fit human psychology and any society that has it is going to be radically different than any society we have ever seen. IMO the ramifications of this make any society that has it far too different from our own to really be playable.
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I would think this sort of thing...

"For example, Duke Adawulf of Efate knew he was living
a dangerous life when hostilities started in the Spinward
Marches; he quite responsibly bought life insurance. In the
last days of the enemy assault, Adawulf held off the enemy
at the portico of his estate as his staff made their escape.
After several hours, he was killed when Zhodani artillery levelled
the palace. His loyal butler gathered up a few scraps
of the Duke, and after the war ended, notified the insurance
company. About a year later, the Duke made his appeance at
a party in his honor, but with no memories of the past three
years."

...would be frowned upon by the good duke's heirs. Was the office of Duke of Efate vacant for those three years? Did the duke's son take the position during those three years but then is demoted once his father's clone/father makes a reappearance? Why use anagathics when you could just periodically make a new, younger clone of yourself and download your mind into it?

This is the SF version of the the situation in Tolkien's Middle-Earth, where Elrond has been ruling Rivendell for over three thousand years. His sons never inherit anything because their father doesn't die, they never move up to his position, they never get out of his shadow. It doesn't bother them because they have the psychology of Elves, not Men, but Traveller's humaniti are not Elves.

This is functional immortality and eternal youth. It doesn't really fit human psychology and any society that has it is going to be radically different than any society we have ever seen. IMO the ramifications of this make any society that has it far too different from our own to really be playable.
You have made some very good points here. The one regarding using anagathics verses simply cloning oneself raises a question that does require an answer.
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